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Post by igs on Aug 13, 2017 11:28:34 GMT
Thanks ellie! I have to admit I don't know anything about Maria Magdalene... Easter isn't the typical awards season so if they wanted it to have a shot I thought Christmas is as close to a religious holiday they can get to within the season to be Oscar-y. If the UK date is anything to go by maybe they're aiming for Easter with the international release.
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Post by ellie on Aug 13, 2017 12:51:32 GMT
Mary Magdalene was Jesus' most prominent female follower. She has been generally seen as a prostitite or wanton women to whom Jesus displayed his Christian teaching by not rejecting her as a follower. However there is a counter view that history has done her a disservice and her depiction is more down to attitudes to women than to her true story. It has the makings of an interesting movie which you don't need to be well up on Christiantianity to enjoy.
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Post by onebluestocking on Aug 13, 2017 13:59:58 GMT
I believe she was one of the two women who went to Jesus' tomb, and discovered he wasn't there, on Easter. So I agree, it would make sense to release the film around that season.
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Post by sgev1977 on Aug 13, 2017 15:43:57 GMT
Anythingbatch posted the image from EW magazine:
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Post by roverpup on Aug 13, 2017 16:15:19 GMT
I don't have any problem with a company wanting a film that they believe in to be successful and if that means lobbying it for awards and publicity, then that seems OK. And all sorts of film companies abandon films that they lose faith in and focus on other films that they think will have a better chance at commercial success. One of my most favourite books is on this very topic - Produced and Abandoned: The Best Films You've Never Seen. letterboxd.com/michaelhutchins/list/produced-and-abandoned-the-best-films-youve/It isn't unique to HW or TWC. Films are abandoned all the time for a huge variety of reasons by production co. and distributors and sometimes it is a mistake, while other times it definitely was the right choice. I am going to believe/hope in the case of TCW it was a wise choice on the part of TWC to start the distribution of this film early so that it gets max exposure for awards. :-))
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Post by dreamsincolour on Aug 13, 2017 17:21:45 GMT
I think Weinstein is very Oscar orientated, of course he is. Part of that is one eye on his/their awards history for posterity, but the imperative in the end is to make money. And to make enough money to go on making films, and somewhat left field films at that. As has already been said, playing for Oscars is a tool to make as much money as possible from the films produced. And much of the professional resentment of TWC (aside from the unpleasant personal rumours) is based on his just having been seen to have played that game better than others. But the business isn't charity, and I remember at various times on IMDB (nothing to do with BC) being gobsmacked at the sheer stupidity of so many (far too many) who didn't seem to understand that not to keep your financial head above water means not being able to stay in business.
Personally, I don't think TCW has a proverbial snowball's chance of the level of financial success that TIG achieved. And that's what Weinstein really needs (on the basis of no smoke without fire, too many are supposing TWC is in serious trouble), but it doesn't need to do anything like that well to be counted a reasonable success. I just don't want it to follow the TFE precedent, because that's what might happen if the reviews aren't good enough. And by not good enough, I mean anything less than at least getting the film into the Oscar consideration conversation.
We won't have to wait long to know now, though, if it's premiering at TIFF.
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Post by kreizimam on Aug 13, 2017 17:52:27 GMT
I believe she was one of the two women who went to Jesus' tomb, and discovered he wasn't there, on Easter. So I agree, it would make sense to release the film around that season. It was a different Mary Magdalene. 80% sure.
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Post by sgev1977 on Aug 13, 2017 18:18:48 GMT
Personally, I don't think TCW has a proverbial snowball's chance of the level of financial success that TIG achieved. And that's what Weinstein really needs (on the basis of no smoke without fire, too many are supposing TWC is in serious trouble), but it doesn't need to do anything like that well to be counted a reasonable success. I just don't want it to follow the TFE precedent, because that's what might happen if the reviews aren't good enough. And by not good enough, I mean anything less than at least getting the film into the Oscar consideration conversation. We won't have to wait long to know now, though, if it's premiering at TIFF. If he really changed the release date to his favorite date for Oscar campaigning then the worst case scenario should be something like A:OC (a surprising mixed reception by critics that put him in a hurry to find another movie to buy if he wants to be in the competition). The loser here is Mary Magdalene that doesn't just lose its original date but seeems to be in limbo. In other words he should have at least a little faith in the movie right now as it was actually reported by Deadline before TIFF's line-up announcement. TFE opened TIFF. That's not a good sign! For whatever reason they tend to chose bad movies to open the festival. Maybe it's some concession they gave to big studios for the rights to show another movies. Then there were those weird screenings in which very few people had "authorization" to express how good the movie was. And finally they embargoed critics at last minute.
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Post by ellie on Aug 13, 2017 19:34:10 GMT
I believe she was one of the two women who went to Jesus' tomb, and discovered he wasn't there, on Easter. So I agree, it would make sense to release the film around that season. It was a different Mary Magdalene. 80% sure. No, it was the same Mary Magdalene. There were two Mary's who went to the tomb, Mary the Mother of James and Mary Magdelene. 97.5% sure. 😄
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Post by dreamsincolour on Aug 13, 2017 19:43:56 GMT
Without wanting to sound negative, because the comparison isn't related to anything else, but the faith being expressed in TCW is only relative to MM. Frankly, although no-one wanted to acknowledge it here, it hadn't been looking terribly good that HW had apparently had it coming second to MM before.
And promotional possibilities are also factors that might be coming into play now. BC promoted TIG, as presumably he was contractually obliged, but he didn't indulge HW in actual Oscar campaigning at all. If he had, maybe the result might have been different. He gave Eddie Redmayne a free hand which ER took full advantage of. Are we supposing, with his full schedule, that he will campaign for TCW this time when he didn't for TIG? On the other hand HW has the precedent of TIG doing really well anyway, and knowing what little BC does do re promotion will be effective, in comparison with Joaquin Phoenix who hates all promotion and is lousy at it. I don't know how good Rooney Mara would be at campaigning for MM (she does have 2 nominations already), but TCW also has a potential Oscar campaigner in Michael Shannon. These other issues might be relevant, although opening MM at Easter would seem to me to be an obvious thing to do for best effect, other than for the Oscars.
You can be 100% sure that it was the same Mary Magdalene who was the first to ostensibly witness the resurrection.
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