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Post by mllemass on Dec 18, 2017 12:27:28 GMT
Of course, it's true that any movie could turn out to be a failure. I just think their reasons are stupid. It's like when the Oscar predictions come out before anyone has seen the movies. I remember all the critics saying that Matthew McConaughey would win for Interstellar, and the movie itself would win best picture. It won for special effects and its other nominations were also for technical awards. Here's the article, if anyone is interested. www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/these-major-2018-films-are-destined-for-failure.html/?a=viewallAnother reason they give for predicting the failure of O8 is it will be competing with the new Deadpool and Incredibles movies. So they actually think those movies would have the same audience? I think teenage boys will see the superhero movies, and everyone else will see O8.
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Post by sgev1977 on Dec 18, 2017 12:30:23 GMT
I'm not familiar with the site but just the title of the article sounds like clickbaiting.
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Post by ellie on Dec 18, 2017 13:00:19 GMT
I really think they should just write TCW off and not release it now. The Weinstein situation will totally dominate the media coverage & drag the cast into the whole thing. Better just to let it drop & move on. Maybe release it in a few years time when the dust settles.
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Post by sgev1977 on Dec 18, 2017 14:20:16 GMT
Yes. It's very complex right now! Tom Hanks is one of the very few actors who NEVER worked with Weinstein but apparently just answered some questions about him and he was attacked on Twitter for basically said people should be cautious and not automatically cancel shows/fire people without an investigation; Rose McGowan accused Meryl Streep and other actresses (yes, other WOMEN) of hypocrisy for their plan of protesting on harassment during the Golden Globes but not called out Weinstein before the scandal!; A few days ago I saw a popular post by a young girl accusing also of hypocrisy to multiple FEMALE celebrities for participating on an anti harassment video citing all their "sins". The one I remember most is Michelle William's. Apparently she is an "enable" for saying that Casey Affleck is a talented actor! HE IS!!!! He is also an asshole, according to reports! People can be BOTH things!
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Post by roverpup on Dec 18, 2017 14:28:20 GMT
Something I don’t understand about that. If they removed HW’s name from the credits (and removed any possibility of him making $$$ from the movie) why shouldn’t they release the movie??? It isn’t like he was the performer in the film? It isn’t like he directed it? It isn’t like he personally did the cinematography or the writing of it? I wouldn’t support something if someone I despised personally profited by it but if that aspect was removed then why make all the people who had nothing to do with HW’s actions suffer and have all their hard work and effort into a worthy project pay for his behaviour. That aspect just makes me irritated about this whole “dump the movie” issue. Are people that unable to use their critical judgment and view the film for what it is (and all the work of the others involved)? Really sad. And how far does this ”scarlet letter” of HW have to be worn by anyone who had anything to do with TCW go? Is this going to follow those actors, directors, etc. around and always be an “issue” that is brought up (such as when the Melrose series comes out will everyone want to know how BC feels about TCW being dumped???)? Or if TCW ever is released (in video or whatever) then aren’t all those ?? still going to be hanging around to be answered? The elephant in the room? Or is this all going to just magically forgotten?? If it isn’t forgotten then no publicity should ever be done for this project and that is kind of like a kiss of death for any format that it is released on. What a fucking mess!
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Post by sgev1977 on Dec 18, 2017 14:48:51 GMT
Well, he was involved in the movie because he was the producer and it was directly financed by him so it was much more his movie than TIG, for example, which he just distributed but still did a lot of money with it.
But of course, movies are a collective endeavor and the cancellation not just affects him and the company but everyone involve in different levels.
And there's the issue that people don't understand how movies work. For example when Peter Jackson and Terry Zwigoff made public they wanted Mira Sorvino for their films but Weinstein said no, there were comments saying they were cowards and other things for let someone who wasn't an agent(?) or a casting director to decide that! He was the producer, the boss, the guy who was paying the thing, of course he could say if someone would be in the movie or not!
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Post by ellie on Dec 18, 2017 15:11:23 GMT
It may not be fair but it’s simply the way the media works. Any angle that opens a link to HW is fair game for a story and right now TCW provides a very handy “in” to HW. That means the focus would be more on HW than the movie. Which is why I think at least postponing the release is the way to go.
And as Sgev says, he was the Producer of TCW which gives a very solid angle for media speculation as to his influence and how he used it in general.
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Post by onebluestocking on Dec 18, 2017 15:55:51 GMT
I agree, they should postpone for a looooong time or drop TCW completely. I was looking forward to seeing it, but if it's even remotely soon every interview will be asking BC about HW and focusing on him, anyway. And dislike for HW will make critics judge it even more harshly, I think.
I'm irritated by women criticizing other women for the way they choose to protest. Can't we stand together on this one issue for more than a few weeks, for pete's sake? Like we don't have enough men starting a backlash against it. Most newer articles about harassment are filled with victim-blaming comments now, even more than at first, and "what about men"-ing.
Annoyed that people are already predicting the new Oceans movie will flop, just because of the female cast. What other female reboots are they talking about? I can only think of Ghostbusters, and it got decent reviews even if it wasn't commercially very successful. Meanwhile a lot of people said Wonder Woman would fail, and look how that turned out.
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Post by igs on Dec 18, 2017 15:58:37 GMT
So they actually think those movies would have the same audience? I think teenage boys will see the superhero movies, and everyone else will see O8. Superhero movies don't make money by just appealing to teenage boys. I don't think the audiences for Deadpool and O8 are really the same, but if Deadpool has better hype it'll get the bigger screens and O8 will start its cinematic run with lesser chances of success even if none of the same people saw these two movies. Inredicbles...that's animation right, Disney/Pixar/something? Well that'll eat more of O8's audiences than Deadpool's, since that "core" teenage boy audience doesn't have children who they'll have to take see Incridibles instead. It'll also get bigger screens because children's movies are popular. It's not just about who'll go see what.
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Post by roverpup on Dec 18, 2017 16:42:41 GMT
Ellie said:
I don’t really see where postponing it will do much good for the movie because I don’t really see this HW stigma going away concerning TCW. I think it will always be there and if it comes out in a year or two or three, there will be poisoned publicity always. The contemplation of this really makes me frustrated, and indeed sometimes outright angry, to think this is the narrow way people think (and I do think it is more than just “the media” - they are a reflection of a wider feeling a lot of the time, not something in isolation). I think perhaps the film is fucked permanently.
The real question to me is how far will that HW stigma go? How long will that stink cling to the others involved with TCW? I was considering that maybe it might have been better to just divorce the “HW aura” as much as possible from TCW and release it fairly soon, accept that it will be unfairly trashed, do as little publicity as possible without hiding entirely, answer the questions and accusations as honestly as possible and then move on. Delaying or denying the movie is, in a way, worse because the odour lingers and taints all the others involved unfairly. Making a clean, honest sweep of it (even if it means the actual movie will be a financial and critical disaster) at least allows the others involved (the actors, the director, the other producers, etc.) to get on with their future work without the cloud hanging over them in perpetuity.
I am worried now (not immensely, but it is still in the back of my mind) that things such as Patrick Melrose, Rio and even Dr. Strange may be tainted by this TCW situation. Owing that actual logic isn’t playing any real part in this, I think it might be a possibility? After all, in the next round of publicity for Patrick Melrose, why wouldn’t a real interviewer (not just a fluff one from People or Entertainment Tonight) ask BC how he felt about TCW situation? Sure BC could defer the question, but the question would still be asked and that brings the focus around to HW again.
Sorry if I seem in a foul mood about this but I really feel so bad for those who didn’t do anything except make a movie that they should be proud of being thrown in the same trash heap as HW, as if they deserved to be there with him. By delaying or dumping the movie there will always be guilt by association, and it will always seem like there was something to hide (by hiding the movie away). I would rather be defiant and just say “We have nothing to be ashamed of! Here is our work!” and just take the lumps, then move on.
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