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Post by ellie on Dec 18, 2017 16:59:27 GMT
My preference as I said in my first post would be to can the Movie totally but, failing that, then a lengthy postponment until the media focus has moved on to something else would be the way to go.
Releasing it now and facing questions head on would not have a positive result. The media would only be interested in the scandal and the cast would just be used as bait to lure more headlines.
I don’t think the HW fall out will affect other unrelated cast projects. There is no evidence that media are interested in chasing down and trashing everyone who ever worked with HW. But TCW is the last film he produced before the scandal broke so releasing it in the heat of battle so to speak would be handing the cast over to the media on a plate. No good would come of it in my opinion.
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Post by sgev1977 on Dec 18, 2017 17:22:48 GMT
Agreed with Ellie. It's the moment and, of course, the malicious question or recycling. I mean Michael Shannon did publicity for other films and casually mentioned this movie won't be released because the scandal and that was all!
The "problem" with the others is that they talked directly about the theme and right now it doesn't matter what they say someone will criticize them. I hope there is real structural changes in the system beyond the virtue signalling before things calm down but they will calm down. That's for sure!
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Post by roverpup on Dec 18, 2017 17:23:57 GMT
They still ask him about TFE so why wouldn’t they ask him about TCW when Patrick Melrose comes out and he is doing publicity for that?
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Just read sgev’s post. If they released TCW and didn’t do any more publicity for it (after what was done around TIFF) then why couldn’t BC just say the same thing as Shannon did and be done with it too?
BTW: I am not trying to be overly argumentative here, I actually really want to see the movie and wish that it does eventually come out. I am just spitballing and throwing ideas out for the sake of discussion. Thanks for your patience.
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Post by ellie on Dec 18, 2017 17:47:49 GMT
I just think that if you don’t need to put your head into the Lion’s mouth why would you?
BC has lots of other projects on the go and the initial feedback on TCW wasn’t that great anyway so it’s no big blow to him if it gets dropped. Yes he may be asked a question about HW when promoting other stuff but it would be much easier to deal with & move straight on to the new project than if he were promoting a HW produced movie.
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Post by roverpup on Dec 18, 2017 19:12:03 GMT
The thing that always struck me was when BC was asked about TFE he has never wavered in his commitment to that film and has stood by his opinion that the negativeness about its reputation was built around the fact that not enough people actually watched it. I can only imagine how he will feel about TCW if it NEVER gets a public viewing. Very sad situation. I don’t think anyone wins in this case - least of all the people who worked on the film.
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Post by mllemass on Dec 18, 2017 21:52:07 GMT
I think it would be better to wait to release the movie until the HW situation is settled in some way - maybe after he's behind bars. Until then, there will always be discussion of what should happen to him. TCW is most affected by HW because it's the movie he was in the middle of promoting when everything blew up. Of course, if he is questioned about it in an interview, Benedict could just repeat his statement from before. There's nothing more for him to say about the matter. As someone has mentioned, Benedict has done the same thing with questions about TFE.
We could be overreacting, though. I've seen Michael Shannon interviewed a few times now about The Shape of Water, and nobody has asked him about HW. Maybe people have already forgotten about it.
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Post by sgev1977 on Dec 18, 2017 22:02:58 GMT
The thing that always struck me was when BC was asked about TFE he has never wavered in his commitment to that film and has stood by his opinion that the negativeness about its reputation was built around the fact that not enough people actually watched it. I don't remember he saying that. I remember he saying he always thought that Disney and DreamWorks were strange bedfellows for the theme and that it was a difficult subject matter to sell.
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Post by mllemass on Dec 18, 2017 22:17:28 GMT
I saw the first Incredibles, and it was ok, but I have no plans to see the new one. I'm pretty sure that the target audience for O8 is older (i.e. adult) and female, and generally those movies aren't taken as seriously as the big blockbusters. That's what I found the most irritating about that article.
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Post by roverpup on Dec 18, 2017 22:55:59 GMT
I’ll try and find his quote on this sgev. I remember reading it several times and it stuck in my mind because it was something I agreed with him on.
It may take me a while though. I am kind of busy ATM so it won’t be for a bit.
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Post by queenzod on Dec 18, 2017 23:33:14 GMT
BC’s name is clean and I’m pretty sure it will stay that way. The media (and by extension social media) couldn’t have a nuanced conversation about any topic to save their lives. It’s the angry pitchfork mob. It’s been interesting to see what happened with Senator Al Franken, a much beloved democrat. People wanted him to stay, gave him the benefit of the doubt, he said he was stepping down, now folks are calling for him to rescind his resignation. Others they throw in the trash as soon as one accuser steps forward. It’s a madhouse.
Also, I think Rose McGowan is mentally unstable.
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