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Post by queenzod on Dec 19, 2017 7:26:50 GMT
Okay, then!
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Post by sgev1977 on Dec 19, 2017 11:38:43 GMT
She has been an “eccentric” since her early years and I understand she also had a difficult childhood. Of course, we can’t know if she has a mental issue but there is nothing wrong with having it and it doesn’t justify in any way the abuse. It makes people vulnerable, tho. And predators like Weinstein tend to abuse in particular of vulnerable girls. He also, and it’s very common, tried and is still trying to destroy her reputation so I really think she needs help and not just people who want to exploit what she angrily says for their own purposes: journalist hungry for clicks and political activists from the extreme right and left.
Again it’s not new, she is a polemic person: remember how she dressed, her relationship with even more eccentric boyfriends, crazy opinions, etc. I could guess she always liked to create polemic and that she says what she thinks without filter (it should had been awful to be silenced by Weinstein like that. Actually, I don’t think she has told her story yet. She doesn’t have to, of course! But it shows the control that man has over her. Is she legally free now?) but I also imagine she is in a very vulnerable state/position right now, more than ever and social media is not good in that state, especially if she is still being hunted by Weinstein’s people. So yes, she needs a “filter” in this moment. Someone who help her to control what she is writing to protect her, not to protect Streep or others who will be ok, but protect her.
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Post by ellie on Dec 19, 2017 11:58:42 GMT
I agree Sgev. She does need protecting. She thinks speaking out via social and traditional media will help her. It won’t. The Media are always on the side of where the best story is and if that involves destroying her then so be it. Social media is no better. Also the more she says publically the more she gives to HW’s legal team to undermine.
The fact that HW is an abuser is out there and accepted now. I think McGowan’s best strategy would be to keep her powder dry for the court case & withdraw from media engagement.
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Post by onebluestocking on Dec 19, 2017 12:55:51 GMT
I agree that RM seems either unstable or attention seeking. She can't stop accusing and fighting everyone, even those trying to support her. And technically she took HW's money to be quiet, so I don't see why she thinks she is so much braver or more honest than any of the other victims. Any victims occuring between her experience and today, might well ask why she didn't say anything when she knew. I know she had that non-disclosure agreement and could only refer to him by initials or whatever, but everybody involved has had their own reasons for not exposing him sooner and I don't see "I took $100,000 not to" to be any better reason than anyone else's. I wouldn't complain about her, except that she is attacking others for doing the same thing she did.
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Post by mllemass on Dec 19, 2017 13:32:35 GMT
I agree. I think we (the public) have an image in our minds of how a victim should be - sweet, gentle, nice. I don't know RM, but she might be none of those things. She's still a victim of HW, though. And you're right - he might have deliberately chosen victims that the public wouldn't be too sympathetic about if they ever told what he had done to them.
I can remember a few times in my life, when I was in school, when I've gone out if my way to be kind to someone who was being mistreated and bullied by other students. And almost every time, the victims responded rudely to me, as if I was one of their bullies. My first thought, unfortunately, was always "Well, no wonder everyone hates you!", but I knew that was wrong. People who have been hurt and abused are understandably suspicious of others and act out. I think Meryl Streep's response was good, and I hope RM takes her up on her offer of friendship.
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Post by sgev1977 on Dec 19, 2017 13:35:33 GMT
This things are very complex. I understand why she (and others) didn't talk before. I also understand why she is very angry. She is contradicting herself, I know, but it's a comprehensive reaction considering she suffered something so traumatic. We are not necessarily rational when we are under too much pressure and apart of that, she always has been loud and eccentric. That's why I don't think it's good for her in this moment to be on social media. Most people want things in black or white and then you have the opportunists who want political points or a good headline and Weinstein people, etc.
I don't think she wins something with this so I don't think there's something behind her fury. And she has right to be angry but someone should protect her of it.
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Post by ellie on Dec 19, 2017 14:17:29 GMT
I agree that RM seems either unstable or attention seeking. She can't stop accusing and fighting everyone, even those trying to support her. And technically she took HW's money to be quiet, so I don't see why she thinks she is so much braver or more honest than any of the other victims. Any victims occuring between her experience and today, might well ask why she didn't say anything when she knew. I know she had that non-disclosure agreement and could only refer to him by initials or whatever, but everybody involved has had their own reasons for not exposing him sooner and I don't see "I took $100,000 not to" to be any better reason than anyone else's. I wouldn't complain about her, except that she is attacking others for doing the same thing she did. Excellent post OBS.
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Post by onebluestocking on Dec 19, 2017 17:02:08 GMT
Honestly what makes me angriest, is that the person 100% responsible for all of this is Harvey Weinstein. And he's kicking back, probably harassing the women in some luxurious sex addiction clinic/resort, all but forgotten while everyone else points fingers about who is to blame for not stopping him.
No one person or group could have fixed this while HW was still at the height of his power. It would have taken an industry-wide effort: agencies refusing to send young actresses to his "meetings", industry talent and investors declining to make his movies, victims speaking out and lawyers encouraging them to do so, his own company to stop covering up and enabling. And how would you ever get all of those people to risk their careers in this way, about something that hadn't happened to them personally? Even the victims themselves weren't willing to do that.
The only reason the pieces fell together at this point was probably because his recent movies have been less successful and TWC finally willing to let the accusers come forward without suing. Apparently the board of directors had considered kicking him out previously (they called it the "non-Harvey option") so his downfall was already in the cards as soon as his career faltered. Possibly his brother wanted him out, too.
But the person 100% to blame is HW, for all of it. Women fighting and accusing each other is very non-productive.
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Post by sgev1977 on Dec 21, 2017 11:39:09 GMT
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Post by mllemass on Dec 21, 2017 12:22:09 GMT
This Sabo artist is just taking advantage of an opportunity to stir up more problems, which seems to be what he's known for. It makes no sense for RM to attack MS on social media. What if it is true, and MS knew about HW all along? What if MS has her own "me too" story about HW that she wants to keep private, for whatever reasons? Doesn't she have the right to do that? What matters is that she's denouncing him now, because of what RM and the other women have said.
This has become so nasty, when they should all be directing their anger to the men who caused all of it.
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