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Post by sgev1977 on Dec 19, 2017 0:45:47 GMT
Poor Rose McGowan! I feel for her and she has all the right to be angry but it's not a smart move to accuse another actress of knowing all the time and not doing nothing without proof. Yes, "everyone knew" but it's difficult to establish what everyone knew.
I'm thinking for example in Robert Rodríguez. He worked with Dimension and Miramax since Four Rooms in 1995, he did From Dusk till Dawn, The Faculty, 2 Spy Kids movies, Once Upon in Mexico and Sin City with the brothers before he met and cast Rose McGowan in Planet Terror after she told him about the abuse and he rebelled against Harvey. More than 10 years! He knew Tarantino and Hayek (actually she said Frida was produced by his then wife but TBF Hayek also said she talked with others about the bullying but not the harassment) but he actually DID something about it until one of his victims told him directly about the abuse. McGowan never denied his version of the story so I presume it's true then if he could work for more than ten years and having direct contact with people who knew but he never knew or at least could confirm the rumors until McGowan told him then why she is do sure someone like Streep knew all the details? I can't imagine Streep going to the parties mentioned by that other writer in which he said everyone knew and she certainly was working with others studios at the same time. She wasn't just a Miramax star and she wasn't discovered by Harvey.
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Post by coolclearwaters on Dec 19, 2017 1:50:10 GMT
Streep has issued a statement in response to Rose and it’s good - much better than her original. She’s actually very sympathetic to McGowan. People tweet all kinds of things on Twitter. Some are better thought out than others. Some are more emotional than others. I don’t think RM is always right, but she doesn’t have to be. How many of us would still be standing after facing what she has endured for 20 years - the slander, blackballing, threats, and gaslighting - having former Mosad agents hired by HW pretending to befriend you and sympathize with your story so that they can help your tormentor destroy you more completely? Probably not me. www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/meryl-streep-responds-to-rose-mcgowan-criticism_us_5a38365be4b0c65287aba6f2
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Post by sgev1977 on Dec 19, 2017 2:26:33 GMT
It should be very difficult to be on her shoes indeed but social media is awful, especially with vulnerable people. The reactions to her comments were mostly against her with some people from the extreme right (Streep is one of Trump’s “enemies”) and the extreme left (the SJW kids) being aggressively on her side. But yes, there were all those typical comments about herself not speaking before and permitting him to attack other women; her accepting Weinstein’s money; her defending that pedophile director, etc. Some expressed the criticism in a nice way but others not and that’s the difficult thing: these things are not black or white, they are very complex and these unnecessary polemics created by her are exploited by press and extremists from right and left will only harm her. I think people like her in her situation shouldn’t use social media. I mean she should speak her mind and why not? to expose anyone she knows by fact is doing harm but it would be better if she had someone by her side before write something. It’s clear she needs help.
It’s sad but I can see women like Mira Sorvino or Asia Argento or Ashley Judd having a second chance with their careers but I don’t know about her.
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Post by coolclearwaters on Dec 19, 2017 3:18:26 GMT
I have mixed feelings about social media. Without it, I don’t think this story would ever have seen the light of day or, at the very least, it would have died out quickly. The gatekeepers would have seen to that, as they always have. Of course, there are excesses, but it’s possible to fight back.
I don’t like the prevailing narrative that Rose is disturbed. Many people could benefit from therapy or support after a lengthy trauma. That shouldn’t discount what they have to say. She’s angry, (who wouldn’t be) and says things that sometimes make people, including me, uncomfortable. I think she’s wrong about Meryl, but it’s not the end of the world. Meryl has now given a much better statement and has reached out to her. We can’t have a debate about anything important without tempers flaring and heated disagreements.
I don’t think Rose expects, or even wants, to have a career as an actress anymore. She has said that in the past. Of course, her feelings may be more ambivalent than she lets on ...or not.
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Post by queenzod on Dec 19, 2017 5:10:08 GMT
It would be nice if parts of this could be worked out away from the harsh lights of social media. If Meryl and Rose could meet and talk, clear the air between them without everyone in the world chiming in and taking sides. It’s none of our business what goes on between them. It feels kinda prurient to me. This is just making drama where there’s no need. And Rose should get some help. Of course she’s traumatized. She should deal with that and take/be given some privacy.
This is going to sound callous, perhaps, but there’s a tendency for actors to bump up against the exhibitionism line. It’s that whole “watch me” thing. They get their self worth from the drama and applause, and they can get to a point where it’s confusing what should be public and what should be private. Not all actors, of course. Some are more well-balanced than others.
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Post by coolclearwaters on Dec 19, 2017 5:21:28 GMT
What is it that McGowan has said that upsets you enough to call her unbalanced? I’m not saying she is or isn’t, but it alarms me a little that people are so quick to go down that road. No one has to read her tweets.
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Post by queenzod on Dec 19, 2017 6:05:10 GMT
She was arrested for drugs recently, and she seems very hostile to a good many people. I’m not saying she hasn’t a right to be angry, but she does seem to be going around poking sticks at people. I don’t know her, and I certainly might be wrong, but to me she seems not in control of her behaviors.
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Post by coolclearwaters on Dec 19, 2017 6:17:20 GMT
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Post by queenzod on Dec 19, 2017 6:25:01 GMT
Yes? I don’t know the truth and neither do you.
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Post by coolclearwaters on Dec 19, 2017 6:29:31 GMT
I didn’t say I did.
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