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Post by sgev1977 on Dec 2, 2020 15:33:40 GMT
It depends of the script. Some biographies say it was a problem for his family because it wasn't socially acceptable then. But I think there were also other issues: I understand he was Catholic and she, protestant. That could be another family conflict if they have to go with the polemic marriage plot line! But of course, it's pure speculation!
I imagine the film will center on his relationship with his sisters and who knows? Maybe, just maybe Andrea Riseborough actually has a bigger role in it than Foy. Or maybe Foy shot a lot of flashbacks and those will dominate the film.
Another thing, we still don't know who is Toby Jones playing!
And maybe I'm misremembering but I think a famous professional soccer player said he was in this! And we will also have a Nick Cave cameo. I think that even if this is dark and sad (and I hope it is!), it will also be a very playful movie. I still haven't watched anything by Sharpe but allegedly that's his style: a mix of desperation with silliness.
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Post by sgev1977 on Dec 2, 2020 22:28:05 GMT
Talking about Wain's life. I think the only negative comment I read on Twitter about the lovely new image was by a woke saying it's just another movie about privileged white people. I guess it's not so bad as when two or three randoms suggested that series like Patrick Melrose shouldn't be made because they are designed for people to feel sorrow for privileged white straight men who...(check notes) were victims of child sexual abuse, incest, mental health issues and addictions! But still, Wain actually suffered of poverty, the early death and illness of close family members and mental health issues. He was commited to the pauper asylum! You can't know all that for the whimsical image but well, his work was whimsical and playful. And people who give opinions about things they don't know are just fools!
Also the director is British Japanese and they worry so much for diversity that they changed the ethnicity of some famous individuals!
The point is it's a very sad story but I understand why they are presenting it in a playful cute way. That's what Wain did! I just hope Sharpe includes the darker corners and supposedly...that's what he does in his work!
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Post by mllemass on Dec 2, 2020 23:53:16 GMT
From Wikipedia:
It sounds like the movie might be focussing on Louis Wain’s paintings and how loved they were by society. He was well-known enough that some very important people eventually stepped in to help him.
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Post by sgev1977 on Dec 3, 2020 0:43:58 GMT
SPOILERS!!!
I remember they shot a scene of his remaining sisters and some artists friends/fans "protesting", I'm guessing, to ask for help for him. Also Cave will play HG Wells and Adeel Akhtar plays Dan Rider, the person who discovered him at the pauper asylum so the appeal is indeed in the film. Probably that will be the happy life affirming ending of the movie: he discovering he is remembered and loved by people he doesn't even know because his drawings.
Also the BTS of him in his older years falling of a bus and hitting his head (some biographers believe that accident caused his madness. Although there were antecedents of mental issues in his direct family) were widely distributed on the Internet by The Daily Mail and there were the photos of him and his sisters on that funny looking vehicle.
There were no paparazzi photos of Clare Foy but I guess most of her scenes were with him doing marriage life in their house. So they surely shot them at some private place.
I also saw on IMDb that they cast a kid to play him and an actor is playing his dad so there should be scenes of him as a kid.
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Dec 3, 2020 3:34:26 GMT
Post by queenzod on Dec 3, 2020 3:34:26 GMT
A rough blow to the head can certainly cause an altered personality & turn the person to violence. Look at all those American football players suffering from CTA. (Not sure that’s the correct abbreviation but...) I don’t think it even needs to be repeated blows to the head. I knew a man who had a bad concussion from a car accident and it changed him a lot. It was really sad to witness, actually, and he was only in his 30s when it happened. Couldn’t keep his job as a maths prof in our school of education b/c he couldn’t think straight anymore. Fell into heroin use and eventually left town to open a bike shop with his brother. I don’t know what happened to him after that. He was such a doll, too.
I’m not sure we have a clear picture of the details of Wain’s life or illness, so I hope they don’t necessarily make the psychedelic aspects only in his madness towards the end. But then again, it’s a film of a life, not a biography. I’m sure I’ll be thrilled with it, even if it does focus on a white man, lol. I like to think I’m grown enough to have empathy for any suffering human, no matter their color or circumstance, unlike *some* people, lol.
I hope this film hits all the notes - happy, sad, funny, thoughtful, etc. The story holds all of that and we know BC loves to go full out in a role like this, so I’m keeping my fingers crossed for a pretty wild ride!
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Dec 3, 2020 4:14:55 GMT
Post by mllemass on Dec 3, 2020 4:14:55 GMT
From the Wikipedia article:
I think it’s agreed now that he wasn’t schizophrenic at all. Back then, they pointed to the change in his cat pictures as evidence of his mental illness, but artists often experiment with weird and different techniques - it doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with them.
But it seems that he did suffer a brain injury and even became violent, so there was something wrong.
A few years ago, one of my coworkers started complaining one day that she was having a hard time seeing the words on the papers in front of her. Another coworker drove her to emergency and called her husband. He called us later to let us know that she had a concussion. The day before, she had been sitting on the floor playing with her toddler daughter when they knocked heads. Her daughter’s forehead hit my coworker’s temple. The toddler was fine, but her mother wasn’t. The doctor told her that she couldn’t return to work for a few weeks because she was experiencing other effects besides occasional loss of vision, and she wasn’t allowed to drive. The concussion had occurred in February, and it was June before she was told she return to work a few days a week. After that, we were working at different locations, so I didn’t see her anymore and I just assumed she eventually she got better. She emailed me a couple of years ago to ask me a question, and when I replied, I asked her how things were going at work. She answered back that she had not yet been able to return to work. So three years after accidentally hitting her head against her daughter’s head, she still hadn’t recovered.
When I fell and hit my head a couple of years ago, I was a lot more concerned about having a concussion than about the blood dripping from the injury. I wasn’t x-rayed when I went to emergency. They asked if I had lost consciousness (I hadn’t) and if I felt ok. They stitched up my wound and sent me home with information about concussions for someone (my sister) who had to monitor me for the next few hours. I think that if I had said that I lived alone, they would have kept me there so they could watch me.
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Dec 3, 2020 11:44:51 GMT
Post by sgev1977 on Dec 3, 2020 11:44:51 GMT
I think the link of the psychedelic cats and his schizophrenia diagnosis happened later. I mean he was diagnosed with schizophrenia and it has been questioned but the interpretation of his craziest drawings as a symptom is something more recent.
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Dec 5, 2020 3:46:03 GMT
Post by sgev1977 on Dec 5, 2020 3:46:03 GMT
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Dec 9, 2020 21:58:09 GMT
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