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Post by sgev1977 on May 2, 2020 22:37:42 GMT
Oh, man! This is so cruel but I kind of understand the sentiment! Kenny can be very cruel!
I really doesn't desire it to him or anyone else but maybe a backlash is approaching!
I think that Murphy can be very entertaining in a guilty pleasure way but somehow TV critics and award committees take him very seriously and think he is more talented than he actually is. The People vs. OJ was very good but kind of contained (aka. not his usual style), A Normal Heart was extremely mediocre and, of course, the thing about Versace didn't deserved to win any award over Patrick Melrose!
I actually enjoyed his American Horror Story but again, in a guilty pleasure way. They are far far away of good art. I guess this is not politically correct to say but I think he is helped by the fact that he is gay, interested in LGBTQ issues but, at the same time, accessible and very powerful. You can feel progressive watching something that has kind of daring gay stuff but it's superficial, uncomplicated and easy to digest.
It reminds me to a Mexican director called Manolo Caro. He makes popular "inclusive" movies and had this huge hit with was basically a comical Mexican soap opera in Netflix called La Casa de las Flores. Again it's kind of entertaining and there a few good jokes but it's just bad. Once I heard a TV critic described him has a mediocre Pedro Almodovar wannabe and, well, he was right!
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Post by sgev1977 on May 3, 2020 14:20:59 GMT
I really hate this kind of things, Yesterday I googled the series after I read Kenny's tweet and it was described by Murphy as a fantasy that try to give everyone who deserved a happy ending. An alternate history in which everything that was wrong in Hollywood is fixed. And it seem that as many progressives do, they just erased a real life pioneer just to show they are super woke themselves and not retrogrades like all those nasty people in the past! Is really that difficult to do research beforehand? Nothing bad with not being 100% historically accurate but it's very problematic (their favorite word!) to claim they are doing justice to minorities and then just erase a female pioneer like that, again, to make themselves look good! It's not the first time I see something like this but it's always disappointing.
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Post by queenzod on May 3, 2020 19:55:29 GMT
There were a huge number of women writers and directors in the very early days of film, before Hollywood was even a glimmer in the eyes of the money men in New York. They went to California because land was cheap and the weather was usually always sunny which was great for filming. Women got pushed out after the money started rolling in. Typical. Talk about revisionist history!
What is it about men who love to erase the actual history and replace it with some kind of myth of white male greatness? Soooo tired of it!
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Post by sgev1977 on May 3, 2020 20:28:08 GMT
In this case it's the woke lot trying to make themselves look super progressive claiming their woke fairy tale of a Netflix series has a fictional first ever female studio chief taking decisions in the 1940s without checking there were a few in the silent era! Wasn't Mary Pickford one of the founders of United Artists?
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Post by queenzod on May 3, 2020 21:48:58 GMT
Yes, Pickford, Fairbanks & Chaplin. Pickford was a powerhouse! “Women screenwriters — the most well-respected and well-paid being Frances Marion, Jeanie Macpherson, Anita Loos, June Mathis, and Bess Meredyth — wrote half of the silent films copyrighted between 1915 and 1925, according to Beauchamp’s Without Lying Down. A woman, Lois Weber, was the highest-paid director in town. It’s no surprise that one commentator referred to this landscape as a “manless Eden.” Unfortunately, due to intentional destruction, decay of material, fire, and neglect, much of these women’s works have been lost – according to a study from the Library of Congress, only 14% of the 10,919 American silent films released between 1912-1929 currently exist.” www.refinery29.com/en-us/2018/04/197006/women-silent-era-hollywood-prominent-directors-writers
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Post by sgev1977 on May 6, 2020 16:19:21 GMT
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Post by queenzod on May 6, 2020 19:46:42 GMT
Blistering! 👍🏼
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Post by sgev1977 on May 7, 2020 12:12:06 GMT
This thread, too. Again, I don't like Murphy's work but I still feel slightly bad to see him or anyone else suffering such a backlash. But at the same time, I hope this ends once and for all with the awful influence that Tumblr politics have had over movies in the last few years. They are just a few bullies but media and Hollywood worried for what others think take them seriously! And they are exactly what this guy says: self-congratulatory; retrogrades who somehow present themselves as progressives; and such a simplistic individuals that think for example that shallow representation is more important than context or history. And yes, mostly white!
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Post by MagdaFR on May 7, 2020 15:01:46 GMT
But at the same time, I hope this ends once and for all with the awful influence that Tumblr politics have had over movies in the last few years. They are just a few bullies but media and Hollywood worried for what others think take them seriously! And they are exactly what this guy says: self-congratulatory; retrogrades who somehow present themselves as progressives; and such a simplistic individuals that think for example that shallow representation is more important than context or history. And yes, mostly white! Haha, sgev1977 , you have such a problem with tumblr! Compared to other platforms it is tiny. Even twitter is small. I don't know tumblr very much except perhaps a little about things related to BC -even when I had an account I followed very few people- but I imagine there are people posting about interesting things and not just being nasty. I don't think they can influence that much, look all the backlash The Green Book had and it won many Oscars, including best picture. In reference to Ryan Murphy I watch almost nothing by him. I tried to watch American Horror Story and it didn't interested me at the time. The only other thing I parcially saw was Versace.I know that the season about OJ Simpson is supposed to be good. I think that I once tried to see Pose but I wasn't much interested either. So I can't comment.
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Post by sgev1977 on May 7, 2020 18:11:26 GMT
I think I have a problem with Tumblr but in this case I'm just quoting the guy who wrote that thread! LOL.
I don't think Tumblr had or has a big impact in the world but I think mainstream media tend to pandering randoms who fabricate fake polemics on social media (nowadays mostly on Twitter) and sadly, media has some influence in what some producers greenlight. In this case, an ahistorical ridiculous woke series.
I actually enjoyed American Horror Story second season. The one in which the characters were interned at the asylum. But again, just as a guilty pleasure. It's not exactly well-written or deep or anything just B exploitation stuff with some good actors pleasantly over-acting (and a few cute young things with not so much talent!). The material is totally ridiculous because he just take a lot of themes without editing anything! I used to joke that it had everything: perverted nuns, mad scientists, zombies or some kind of man eating monsters, demon possessions, nazis, freaks, the angel of the death, psycho killers and, of course, lesbians! All that just in one season!
I remember posters on the award forums being huge fans of A Normal Heart but TBH I found it melodramatic and simplistic. There are two much superior HBO series about the AIDS that preceded it and that's the point, both Angels in America and And the Band Played On were the true revolutionaries series, not A Normal Heart! (the series, not the play! I haven't read not watched the source material but I have heard it's great and, of course, older) and most important they were actually good! Angels in America is beautifully filmed and acted meanwhile And the Band Played On was so complex and smart in the way it treated human behavior. There is a scene in A Normal Heart in which someone (Mark Ruffalo?) mentions that there is an illness affecting gay people and someone else say that it's probably a lie fabricated by bigots and Ruffalo corrects him that not, it's true that there is an illness affecting gay people and the conflict ends there! In the And the Band Played On, there is a whole plot line about a gay activist played by a young Ian Mckellen being harrassed not just by homophobes but also by other gay activists for believing that the illness was real and not just a lie fabricated by bigots and for daring to work with doctors to inform gay men about it. That's the degree of complexity of the 1993 series compared to the shallowness of the 2014 one! There is not comparison but award pundits thought they were something new and unique when it was just an easy digestible version of some old stuff!
His best work probably it's indeed The People vs. OJ Simpson but he is very controlled there.
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