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Post by mllemass on Nov 30, 2021 7:32:15 GMT
I agree that Peter learned the cowboy skills quickly, but I think it was more quickly than he let on.
Ha! Yes, it’s a bit far-fetched that Peter killed his father - and then would still bring flowers to his grave years later?
In that barn scene, when Phil holds Peter by the neck - that clip they show over and over - Benedict said that he had lines to say, but told Jane he didn’t want to say them. He said that the lines weren’t necessary because the audience would figure out what he was thinking without him speaking it. He was right, of course! But now I’m dying to know what those unspoken lines were! What do you think they were?
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Post by prudence on Nov 30, 2021 12:12:24 GMT
How would Peter have known that his mother would give away the hides so that Phil would have to use his? If there was an implication that Peter killed his dad that went right over my head. I thought Rose seemed more traumatized by George making her play the piano than by Phil so Peter should have killed him too
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Post by mllemass on Nov 30, 2021 12:40:49 GMT
How would Peter have known that his mother would give away the hides so that Phil would have to use his? If there was an implication that Peter killed his dad that went right over my head. I thought Rose seemed more traumatized by George making her play the piano than by Phil so Peter should have killed him too Why would she be upset with George? George was kind and sweet and encouraging, and he really believed Rose was being too modest when she refused to play for their guests. Phil was just horrible to her. Also, that all happened while Peter was away at school, so he wouldn’t have known about the piano incident. When Peter returned to the ranch for the summer, the damage to Rose was already done. I think what happened with the hides wasn’t planned. I think Peter collected the diseased hide for his medical experiment - just like he had done earlier with the rabbit. And then when he overheard George and Phil fighting about Rose giving away Phil’s hides, the idea entered Peter’s head. The next day, when George was trying to take Phil to the doctor, Peter was nowhere to be found. Poor Phil says he has to find Peter to give him his rope. We then see that Peter is hiding out upstairs, looking at the window, pacing nervously. He knows why Phil is sick, but doesn’t know yet whether he will die. Didn’t KSM call it “preparedness meets opportunity” in one of the interviews?
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Post by mllemass on Nov 30, 2021 12:54:51 GMT
By the way, I still don’t think that George was being controlling when he wanted Rose to play the piano. I think there certain people who are like that. I have a couple of friends who used to do that to me. I know that their intentions were good, but they just refused to listen when I’d tell them that I couldn’t do something (it usually involved speaking in public). They weren’t trying to humiliate me - they really thought that I was just lacking confidence and needed more encouragement, but they were wrong. I know what I can do or can’t do, and no amount of encouragement will change that. But I never held it against them. We’re just different! I would never tell another person “Sure you can do it!” if they’ve told me they can’t. The most I will say is something like “Well if you change your mind, let me know”.
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Post by mllemass on Nov 30, 2021 12:59:45 GMT
Why would Peter be upset with George when Rose wasn’t? Phil was the cause of his mother’s breakdown, so he took care of it - as he said he would in the voiceover at the start of the movie. First, he got Phil to focus on him rather than on his mother, and when that wasn’t working, he took it further.
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Post by prudence on Nov 30, 2021 13:15:23 GMT
I was just joking about killing George, but I thought the drinking really started with the piano incident. I didn’t think there was enough showing that Phil was the main problem to me.
Yes, it just kind of ended for me and I was like “that’s it?” I kept waiting to be pulled in and having it sit with me for days like other people describe and it just never happened. I wouldn’t look forward to having to see it again, but I recognize that it’s a good movie that should be recognized, just didn’t do anything for me. I may have had my head filled with just watching the 8 hour Beatles documentary (my 1st passion) to have more deep thoughts in there, ha ha.
I guess I wanted a better explanation of why it bothered Phil so much to have Rose there. What did Bronco Henry have to do with his connection to George and George’s connection to Rose? Did it just bother him that George liked women and he didn’t?
I thought Benedict was excellent. I’ll still give his career best award to Patrick Melrose, but I don’t think most film critics would have seen that, but I hope he does win the Oscar. Cinematographer seems like a shoe in.
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Post by mllemass on Nov 30, 2021 17:32:13 GMT
Oh no! I have this horrible feeling that I’ll be the only one on this forum who likes the movie! You’ll all be talking about what you hated and leave me here, all alone - kind of like Phil. Ha!
I honestly don’t think the spoilers make any difference in how you respond to the movie. I had seen those scenes at Phil’s “sacred place” online before watching the movie, and it didn’t take away from my reaction to them.
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Post by queenzod on Nov 30, 2021 17:58:51 GMT
Still haven’t seen it yet (13 hours to go!) but I’ve been reading along here, spoiling myself because I just can’t help it, lol, and I’m finding it fascinating how much of the discussion centers around George. For all of Phil’s horrible behavior, it turns out George is the character whose behaviors and motivations we comprehend/agree upon the least.
And we forgive or ignore (?) Rose her passiveness and fear. What might have happened if Rose was stronger and had told Phil to fuck off when he started bothering her? So we haven’t had a conversation yet about the socialization of women in society, and the way we (mostly) have to acquiesce to the wishes of the men in our lives. Is it because it isn’t worth it to make waves? Or do we really believe men know best and want them to take charge? Or that pleasing them/making them happy is paramount to a happy home? Maybe all that is so apparent that it hasn’t hit this conversation.
I’m convinced Kirsten and Kodi were just joking around and their thoughts about Peter were just the type of talk that happens on a long set with actors exploring their characters. It wasn’t meant to be a theory that “sticks.”
I’m sure I’ll have a lot more to say once I’ve seen it and can properly participate in the conversation. Today is going to be so long!
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Post by prudence on Nov 30, 2021 21:11:39 GMT
Oh no! I have this horrible feeling that I’ll be the only one on this forum who likes the movie! You’ll all be talking about what you hated and leave me here, all alone - kind of like Phil. Ha! I honestly don’t think the spoilers make any difference in how you respond to the movie. I had seen those scenes at Phil’s “sacred place” online before watching the movie, and it didn’t take away from my reaction to them. I definitely didn't hate it. I think I just built it up too much from reading reviews that it would really affect me in some way and it didn't. I'd still give it like a 6/10 or 7/10. I wish I hadn't known the basic ending going in. I didn't know how he did it, but I knew it happened and who was responsible.
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Post by mllemass on Nov 30, 2021 21:47:24 GMT
Maybe it’s because I’m used to reading books before seeing the movies that I’m not that bothered by spoilers. A good movie is a good movie, no matter how much or how little I know about it going in. And if I don’t like a movie, no one can convince me to.
I really dislike the Afflecks and did not want to see Manchester by the Sea when it came out, but I was outnumbered so off I went with a couple of friends. The theatre was packed. A lady sitting nearby told us that the ticket girl told her to make sure she had Kleenex ready because the movie was so sad. She was so excited, and was clutching a bunch of kleenexes in her hand. The movie was awful, and I hated it more and more as it went on. I wanted to scream! When we got near the end, I looked around the theatre for anyone crying or sniffling or dabbing their eyes, but there was nothing. That lady’s Kleenex went unused.
Afterwards, my friends and I went out for dinner and talked about the movie. They both liked it. When I pointed out everything wrong with it, they tried to convince me I was wrong. By the end of dinner, I had decided that it was one of the worst movies I’d ever seen. Sure, I had gone in with a bad attitude, but a bad movie is a bad movie.
For the record, I think TPOTD is one of the best movies I’ve ever seen.
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