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Post by queenzod on Dec 2, 2021 3:11:01 GMT
In the movie near the beginning Phil asks George “remember when he taught us to ride?” And ranch folks back then learned to ride while they were learning to walk, and were fairly proficient by the age of 3 or 4! It’s like those little brats you see on ski slopes, zooming around with no poles. I swear they’re like 2. 😂
it just means you have to watch the movie AGAIN. Such a burden! 😉
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Post by onebluestocking on Dec 2, 2021 3:47:29 GMT
Just popping in - without reading the thread yet! to say that I've got my ticket for tomorrow!
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Post by sgev1977 on Dec 2, 2021 3:47:42 GMT
I loved it! I agreed it doesn’t feel slow to me and the plot isn’t especially complex. I don’t doubt that a lot of people need movies spell out things to them but they mentioned the word “anthrax” like ten times and you literally see Peter preparing for the crime and the at the end the explanation by the doctor! I’m perplexed by the Wall Street guy saying he didn’t like it because he likes plot driven films. This is a very plot driven film!
The 4 actors are great: Jesse Plemons deserves more hype that what he is receiving, his character isn’t very showy but he is just a sublime subtle actor; KSM is good playing the mysterious almost indecipherable boy. Agreed that his best scene is the one in which he is “seducing” Phil but he is also good doing awkward. He is probably being hyped a little too much by award pundits but that’s probably because his Oscar campaign; KD has the second best role and performance. Some people, including herself, claim that she is a “subtle” actor like her husband but that’s not true. I agreed with people who said she reminds to silent movie stars and silent movie stars were the opposite of subtle. She is better because that and her performance is actually the most openly expressive of the four. But my only complain about her performance and the film in general is the scene with the Native Americans. I remember a review saying that Dunst had the most embarrassing and worst moment in a Jane Campion film ever. Probably that was an exaggeration but I immediately knew it was that scene. It’s so over the top and I’m not woke but it was also slightly offensive. The whole interaction was cringing!
I’m probably biased but I just think BC sole presence is just overwhelming imposing. He is just perfect as Phil. You feel his presence even when he isn’t there and it’s not the same when he isn’t there! His Phil is just a child, a jealous spoiled child who attacks anyone who make him feel uncomfortable. He is totally credible as a rough cowboy but agree with Amy Taubin that what makes the performance so memorable is the vulnerability he subtly shows on his face and on his body. The scene in which he is boiling with anger is so controlled and natural. He is a theatre actor but there isn’t anything theatrical there! It just feel very real. An “uncontrollable” furious man trying to not lost it!
I probably will write more tomorrow but these are my first superficial thoughts after watching it.
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Post by gingerale on Dec 2, 2021 4:30:40 GMT
Jesse Plemons deserves more hype that what he is receiving, his character isn’t very showy but he is just a sublime subtle actor; Wholeheartedly agree. I keep thinking about him finally standing up to Phil in the barn. So good. But my only complain about her performance and the film in general is the scene with the Native Americans. I remember a review saying that Dunst had the most embarrassing and worst moment in a Jane Campion film ever. Probably that was an exaggeration but I immediately knew it was that scene. I'm still processing this scene, to be honest. I wish Adam Beach had more to do. But don't you think it's a faithful adaptation of the scene from the novel, in the sense of Rose being kind of desperate and pathetic? I remember in the novel she also just sort of collapses in tears.
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Post by mllemass on Dec 2, 2021 4:41:52 GMT
In the movie near the beginning Phil asks George “remember when he taught us to ride?” And ranch folks back then learned to ride while they were learning to walk, and were fairly proficient by the age of 3 or 4! It’s like those little brats you see on ski slopes, zooming around with no poles. I swear they’re like 2. 😂 it just means you have to watch the movie AGAIN. Such a burden! 😉 Ok, but they weren’t from Montana. In the book, anyway, they were from Boston. Benedict still says in interviews that Phil slips into a Boston accent now and then, just like he does in the book. They weren’t living in Montana when they were 2-3. Yes, obviously I’ll have to re-watch it to be sure!
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Post by gingerale on Dec 2, 2021 5:07:01 GMT
Phil is upset with George for getting married and takes it out on the horse. He might have calmed down with the saddle, but the horse was moving and making noise. So, his ire was directed at that and, since the horse was a mare, he also called it a "flat faced bitch whore" because he was really just angry with Rose Exactly my read of that scene as well, glad you pointed it out. In the end, Phil loses everything - his best friend/brother, his one lover (BH), his safe spots (bedroom and his secret spot because Peter finds him there), his stuff, and then his life. The tragedy is that Phil didn't have to lose any of these things, but, in his eyes, he did. He ended with nothing and, at the end, all he could think about was giving his new friend the gift he made. The new friend that killed him. My thoughts as well, which is why I loved Phil shouting "They were mine" and "I needed them" - he wasn't just talking about the hides.
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Post by queenzod on Dec 2, 2021 5:27:00 GMT
In the movie near the beginning Phil asks George “remember when he taught us to ride?” And ranch folks back then learned to ride while they were learning to walk, and were fairly proficient by the age of 3 or 4! It’s like those little brats you see on ski slopes, zooming around with no poles. I swear they’re like 2. 😂 it just means you have to watch the movie AGAIN. Such a burden! 😉 Ok, but they weren’t from Montana. In the book, anyway, they were from Boston. Benedict still says in interviews that Phil slips into a Boston accent now and then, just like he does in the book. They weren’t living in Montana when they were 2-3. Yes, obviously I’ll have to re-watch it to be sure! I found it! In the barn after Phil tells Peter to sit in the saddle Peter asks him if BH taught him to ride and Phil answers “ayep.”
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Post by queenzod on Dec 2, 2021 5:55:10 GMT
Ok, but they weren’t from Montana. In the book, anyway, they were from Boston. Benedict still says in interviews that Phil slips into a Boston accent now and then, just like he does in the book. They weren’t living in Montana when they were 2-3. Yes, obviously I’ll have to re-watch it to be sure! I found it! In the barn after Phil tells Peter to sit in the saddle Peter asks him if BH taught him to ride and Phil answers “ayep.” Okay, hold up! Later in that really tense scene Peter asks Phil when he met BH and Phil answers “I was about the age you are now.” So maybe you’re right, Mllemass, or maybe Phil is telling tales along the way?
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Post by mllemass on Dec 2, 2021 6:13:07 GMT
To be fair, it got a bit confusing for me because Phil gives a similar answer another time, too. When they were watching Peter ride his horse, Phil tells the cowboys that Bronco Henry didn’t learn to ride until he was around Peter’s age. This “age” thing seems to be significant to Phil, like maybe there are milestones he keeps track of that are important to him.
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Post by mllemass on Dec 2, 2021 6:39:43 GMT
The age BH learned to ride = the same age Phil was when he met BH = the same age Peter is now = the golden age when Phil was able to experience his first love and physically express it with BH. Perhaps? Aha! I think that’s it!
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