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Post by sgev1977 on Dec 2, 2021 12:08:06 GMT
Jesse Plemons deserves more hype that what he is receiving, his character isn’t very showy but he is just a sublime subtle actor; Wholeheartedly agree. I keep thinking about him finally standing up to Phil in the barn. So good. But my only complain about her performance and the film in general is the scene with the Native Americans. I remember a review saying that Dunst had the most embarrassing and worst moment in a Jane Campion film ever. Probably that was an exaggeration but I immediately knew it was that scene. I'm still processing this scene, to be honest. I wish Adam Beach had more to do. But don't you think it's a faithful adaptation of the scene from the novel, in the sense of Rose being kind of desperate and pathetic? I remember in the novel she also just sort of collapses in tears. I would had preferred that like the rest of the film they went for a more discreet approach. She was so big and the lines were awful! I think Adam Beach didn’t even had any dialogue there. He was used just as a prop but people are moaning that McKenzie character isn’t well developed! And then this white woman, who was based on a real life woman who according to the biographer was indeed very progressive, saying those very condescending lines! I know she was having a crisis but I would had preferred something more subtle and respectful. The scene before that with Peter was enough to suggests her as a pathetic creature. She was even slightly disgusting there. Kudos for Dunst for that the scene! She was brilliant in it. I remember some essay, maybe by the biographer but I’m not sure, saying that even when Peter absolutely loves his mother he, likes Phil, was disgusted by her and you can feel that in this scene because her performance.
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Post by sgev1977 on Dec 2, 2021 12:20:11 GMT
The age BH learned to ride = the same age Phil was when he met BH = the same age Peter is now = the golden age when Phil was able to experience his first love and physically express it with BH. Perhaps? It can also be the right age in which the “toxicity” is passed. The three of them not sexually conforming teenagers taken by the wing of a “macho” who learn them how to hide it. Peter breaks the circle. Or he is just repeating the seduction Bronco Henry used with him. You know, “I was your age, you can learn, too”
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Post by sgev1977 on Dec 2, 2021 14:45:22 GMT
I'm posting this tweet here because I agreed with most of these films,
I was surprised that it reminded me more to First Cow than There will be Blood (as a lot were saying!). I thought the comparison to First Cow was because it's a recent western directed by a woman but the otherworldly (apparent) simplicity of the way both stories are told are actually similar. I guess it's also relented to Jane Campion's quote about being influenced by Bresson
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Post by mllemass on Dec 2, 2021 14:51:41 GMT
More age math!
According to the Marc Macron podcast, Benedict says that Phil watched Bronco Henry get killed when he was 19. I guess it was specified in the book, but I read it too long ago to remember. If that’s what he says, I believe him.
So BH was 50 when Phil was 19. If their first ride together, which Phil wanted to celebrate, had happened 4 years earlier, Phil would have been 15 and BH was 46. So somewhere from age 15 to 19, Phil had a relationship with BH. I’m thinking it was not long before BH died, because Benedict said they may have likely had only one encounter. So he was 18-19, which fits the age Peter is playing.
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Post by llminnowpea on Dec 2, 2021 15:34:02 GMT
You all are so talkative! I can't keep up and listen to podcasts and read reviews and also work! Damn work!
Anyway, Phil was 20 when he witnessed BH death in the book. 19 or 20 doesn't matter to me at all, though.
And, Phil said in the movie that BH didn't learn to ride until he was 17, which also fits this age theme.
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Post by mllemass on Dec 2, 2021 21:10:00 GMT
I have a nagging question!
In the scene where Phil finally decides to show up at George’s dinner party, what does he grab from the table to eat? I think it was a pear, but I’ve seen interviewers say it’s an apple when they’ve asked him something about that scene. He hasn’t corrected them, but then the type of fruit isn’t important!
Each time I’ve watched it, though, I’ve thought it was a pear.
What do you think?
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Post by llminnowpea on Dec 2, 2021 21:32:01 GMT
It is a pear. You can see the shape.
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Post by queenzod on Dec 2, 2021 21:32:55 GMT
Apple. It had cronch. (Okay never mind. I’ve been overruled. 😂)
I had another question, too. What was the significance of the Old Lady giving Rose that little handful of jewelry at Phil’s funeral? Was that in the book?
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Post by mllemass on Dec 2, 2021 21:46:42 GMT
Apple. It had cronch. (Okay never mind. I’ve been overruled. 😂) I had another question, too. What was the significance of the Old Lady giving Rose that little handful of jewelry at Phil’s funeral? Was that in the book? I don’t remember that from the book. My theory about that scene is that she was finally officially welcoming Rose to the family. Rose looked so relieved! After that, George tells his father that Rose wanted them to come for Christmas. My second theory is that the jewelry was Phil’s - actually, that’s what I thought the very first time I saw it. I think it’s because it didn’t look very girly. We only get a quick glance, but I didn’t notice a necklace or earrings. It looked like gold rings and maybe a bracelet?
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Post by llminnowpea on Dec 2, 2021 21:59:56 GMT
It was from the book. However, it was during the parents' train ride home (in a private car, so the mother could weep), not at the funeral reception. The Old Gent asked the Old Lady about her rings and she mentions that she gave them to Rose at the funeral reception and that they were invited to Christmas.
The only other person to weep for Phil was Mrs Lewis, the cook, when she looked at the darning egg Phil made her.
Gak. This is going to make me cry again. I cried and cried and cried when I finished that damn book. Cried and cried, then opened it back up and read it all again.
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