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Post by wallaby on Jan 8, 2023 1:08:40 GMT
This sounds quite good to me, queenzod and sgev1977!
I know he got much praise generally for his performance in TPOTD. (Why the heck did Will Smith win ALL the important ones???!!! What a miracle… A different story…)
It‘s also often hard to tell which accent comes from where exactly… Like here in Germany, accents vary from town to town even! I bet it‘s the same in other countries.
As for Daniel Day Lewis and his „accent-perfection“, as I mentioned …. well we should all take into consideration he did indeed prepare for ages for one role and only made a movie every few years. Then it‘s understandable he is so good at it! (Not BC-related, but do you all know the story about DDL‘s old-fashioned tape recorder and Spielberg?)
Don’t get me wrong, but with BC‘s busy work schedule it‘s simply impossible to achieve that level of perfection with every single screenplay-line - and that’s good as it is! I love that he‘s doing so many projects! It‘s much easier to be a fan of BC than of DDL after all, lol!
For a non-native speaker and an aficionado of the English language BC’s accents sound reasonable!
Edited: In my opinion BC hasn‘t given one really bad performance so far.
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Post by mllemass on Jan 8, 2023 1:52:03 GMT
If this is set in NY, he might have an easier time with the accent. I think that people in general think that an American accent IS a NY accent! It’s probably because it’s the accent heard so much on tv and in movies. So he might sound all New York-ish, like a gangster! Ha!
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Post by Hannah Lee on Jan 8, 2023 15:03:24 GMT
This sounds quite good to me, queenzod and sgev1977! I know he got much praise generally for his performance in TPOTD. (Why the heck did Will Smith win ALL the important ones???!!! What a miracle… A different story…) It‘s also often hard to tell which accent comes from where exactly… Like here in Germany, accents vary from town to town even! I bet it‘s the same in other countries. That is so true with accents. I've sometimes seen people complaining about BC's American accents in ways that don't make sense, because he doesn't sound like what their idea of an "American" accent should be, or what that particular regional accent should be. For example, people who complained about his TPOTD accent look past the "educated in the Northeast US" aspect of the character and the fact that Phil was in most moments putting on an act, amping up the way he was speaking for effect. And the fact that people actually in that area, in that life thought he nailed it.
Or for his accent as Billy Bulger in Black Mass, people picking apart his accent as not being an authentic Boston accent, ignoring the way Bulger actually spoke in real life. Sure he was from Boston, Southie which carries a particular and particularly strong local accent, but he was also what is referred to as a Triple Eagle: He went to high school at Boston College High School (an all male, Jesuit college preparatory high school in Boston), and then went on to college and graduate school at Boston College as well, earning his bachelor's degrees and law degrees from there. And there is a certain way of speaking, particularly by the Jesuit priests who taught and still teach at those schools, that is very much reflected in how BB spoke. I observed that way of speaking by Jesuit professors decades later when I went to graduate school there. Add to that the fact that he was a politician and seemed to be doing everything he could to distance himself from his criminal brother, and you get the affected non-typical Boston accent he used when he was speaking publicly. Personally, I think BC did a very good job with it. Was it perfect? No. But it was pretty good.
One that gets overlooked because it was a pretty small role was The Whistleblower, but I remember seeing that and rewatching his scenes several times just to really take in his voice work and the whole vibe of the character.
He seems pretty comfortable with his "standard" American accent, which seems to be what he uses, with an added layer of pretentiousness as Doctor Strange. Even if it's sometimes nasally and wobbles a bit, it's fine. I can't speak to the quality of his various US Southern accents, because those are so variable and depend not only on where the speaker is from, but the situation, who they are speaking with, where they are and I really don't have an ear for them, having grown up in the Northeast US.
As far as performances, I agree it's hard to find a bad one. If I had to pick something, I'd go for Spider-Man: No Way Home, and to some extent DSinMoM. In SP, it's a rare time he seemed to be there and going through the motions. And in MoM, while he went all in for some scenes, for others he gave off a vibe of "are you kidding me with this?" Not because of the Sam Raimi horror or fantastical elements, but with the character, story in general. Though honestly, for MoM, that may be my personal opinion of the film, and the vibe from his promotional appearances afterwards coloring my view of his performance in hindsight. Fortunately, those are Marvel films and BC coasting a little bit doesn't take away from them at all, and in Spider-Man, may actually add to the vibe.
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Post by wallaby on Jan 8, 2023 23:35:15 GMT
Those are some very good points, Hannah Lee!
The question here indeed is: What IS an American accent? The country is so big! I only remember learning „the international phonetic alphabet“ and GA (General American) as opposed to RP (Received Pronunciation) in my English studies at university…
And as I said, accents are so damn hard to do!
This discussion in movie reviews will never end, I suppose.
As far as performances: I refuse to watch DSinMoM or the other DS movies, except for the 2016 DS. Well, I‘m in the section of fans who aren‘t really into Marvel movies and would want BC better out of any at all. I hate horror movies to boot!
I remember seeing a morning TV appearance for DSinMoM-promotion he did here in Germany and he wasn‘t his usual funny self (maybe it was the early hour). Also his May 2022 Fallon-appearance was also not my favourite one…. Do you think he was not happy with how the movie turned out?
(Sorry for carrying this discussion further here on this thread, it‘s not really about „Eric“)
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Post by queenzod on Jan 9, 2023 2:50:43 GMT
A “standard” American accent is the one all the newscasters use, and many have to train themselves to use it, especially if they have a regional dialect. Its pretty close to a Chicago accent, but instead of “traysure” it’s trehsure (treasure), also “playsure” and plehsure (pleasure). It’s a sort of midwestern one with no tang to it. Straight and flat, not a hint of regionalism.
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Post by sgev1977 on Jan 9, 2023 17:52:43 GMT
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Post by MagdaFR on Jan 10, 2023 22:46:31 GMT
I went to awardsworthy (to search for a link to watch the GG) and looked at the Netfix thread and their comments on Eric: Pinocchio? Not another Pinocchio!  |
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Post by sgev1977 on Jan 10, 2023 23:44:45 GMT
I saw some of those Pinocchio comments on Twitter. Very perplexing! For starters, I don’t think the dead boy is in the original story, it’s something that Del Toro added. But also the summary didn’t say that the puppeteer “makes” a boy; Geppeto isn’t a puppeteer but a carpenter and the main character isn’t the father but the wooden boy!
Someone posted on Twitter a bit of a Radio 4 show when they discussed the news. They were very excited for it and one of them mentioned Harvey. I have to confess that I thought the same: A huge probably imagined creature befriending an addict! Obviously a much more serious version of Harvey, which it would totally be considered politically incorrect nowadays as a comedy. But it surely would be something completely different to both considering it’s a thriller (not fantasy nor comedy) about toxic masculinity! It’s still funny that the their only reference it’s something so recent like Del Toro’s Pinocchio meanwhile those ladies in Radio 4 (and me!) immediately thought on a 1950 movie! Those award pundits have 0 sense of film history!
Also, it seems to me that BC’s character is kinda based on Jim Henson, at least in concept. I mean who other puppeteer was a big star in the 1980s?
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Post by sgev1977 on Jan 13, 2023 23:55:54 GMT
I just saw a pair of LinkedIn profiles by people working on the series. One of them says he is working on it since October (in Hungary and NY) and the new one (I had seen it the other before) says she is working on it since December 2022 and only mentions Budapest but it says it’s an “in person” job.
Hopefully, we could have an official confirmation soon or at least something more concrete!
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Post by sgev1977 on Jan 17, 2023 14:10:38 GMT
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