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Post by sgev1977 on May 20, 2023 0:02:02 GMT
Haha I’m having flashbacks to Rory Slippery trying to attack his brother with an axe for sleeping with his girlfriend. Bad news! I’m reading the book and the author says in the prologue that the axe incident didn’t happened. That it is just a myth but that Seeger at certain point embraced it and declared that if he had have an axe he would had chopped the mike cable! Anyway, it seems Seeger is an important character at least in the book. This part is lovely, The author actually met Seeger a few times but never could met with Dylan, which it’s not a surprise! Interesting enough, the article that announced first the project said there were Dylan’s people working on the film. He is a very elusive person. Scorsese documentaries aren’t exactly about him. One is mostly about his times and he is presented as an enigma (the same with the very artistic, episodic but also elusive Todd Haynes film) and in the new one, there is a lot of fictional jokes presented as real stuff (Sharon Stone as a teenager groupie!). I also remember a film about one Andy Warhol’s muse that was Dylan’s lover. Hayden Christensen played him but they changed his name.
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Post by queenzod on May 20, 2023 5:03:21 GMT
I vaguely recall this irl, when Dylan dropped the acoustic music and split from the folk scene. That wasn’t my jam back then when I was 8 or 9, lol, but a number of people I knew were very angry. It really shook up the music scene and I guess there’s still interest and ramifications from that to this day. I’m much more interested in it now, as history.
Confession: I’ve never been into Dylan very much because I couldn’t understand a word he was saying so I missed the important of his music. 🤷🏻♀️
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Post by sgev1977 on May 20, 2023 13:21:56 GMT
I am a fan. I have watched him live, read his autobiography, watched a lot of documentaries about him and his times. And yes, I particularly loved Scorsese documentary that it seems covers the same moment of time this movie will do: him going electric. But the most exciting aspect of the documentary is that it’s not just about him or it’s barely about him, it’s about the exciting NY’s folk/art scene in the early 1960s. Something the autor of the book says he destroyed or was accused of destroying it!
I wasn’t live at the time but I think that, as the prologue says, Newport was symbolic even when the actual event probably wasn’t THAT dramatic as people claim it was. It was fascinating because it could be interpreted in a lot of different ways: the rebellious young man scandalizing the old boring “establishment” represented by Seeger and co. But also, the traitor son betraying a noble ideal of equality and union for money and fame. He also says that it could also represents the change of the noble idealism of the early 1960s to the more individualistic and cynical movements of late 1960s.
Also as the prologue said, Dylan practically disappeared from public life after his UK tour, people forget that, in big part because his horrible motorcycle accident, so everything was just a moment of time: he played some songs with his electric guitar some new fans loved it, his old fans hated it, an idiot called him “Judas!” in London then he had an accident and didn’t played again for a few years. Then he returned. That’s all! The rest is just myth!
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Post by sgev1977 on May 20, 2023 15:29:51 GMT
So it’s not just his people but apparently, Dylan himself is executive producing it. That’s interesting because he is very elusive but he is also very good promoting himself so he probably just chose the projects. pitchfork.com/news/benedict-cumberbatch-to-play-pete-seeger-in-bob-dylan-movie-a-complete-unknown/In his first documentary, Scorsese didn’t interviewed him. He used old material. Joan Baez, Pete Seeger and many others were there but not Dylan himself. He certainly appeared in the new Netflix documentary, tho. I also understand that he refused anything about the Factory Girl movie and that’s why they changed the name of Hayden Christianson character. I haven’t watched the film but apparently he is presented in a good light. The “villain” is Andy Warhol (Do you think Warhol will be in this new movie?). He approved I’m not There but that’s a very ambiguous “biography”. A great poetic film but not exactly about the “real” man or “real” events.
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Post by sgev1977 on May 20, 2023 15:32:34 GMT
Awww! This is lovely,
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Post by sgev1977 on May 20, 2023 15:58:17 GMT
I moved all the posts about the film. I still put the threat in the “General Films” until this actually happens.
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Post by sgev1977 on May 20, 2023 16:25:03 GMT
First chapter is dedicated to Seeger and I was thinking that he sounds a little like Phil Burbank! You know a good version of Phil Burbank.
This quote is very good,
I hope the movie captures this ambiguity with both characters. By the way, the scriptwriter is Jay Cocks. I didn’t knew. He is really good! He wrote a few Scorsese films and the great Strange Days.
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Post by sgev1977 on May 20, 2023 17:30:43 GMT
Another one,
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Post by sgev1977 on May 20, 2023 21:02:13 GMT
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Post by sgev1977 on May 20, 2023 21:16:47 GMT
Also for all those “identitarian” idiots, according to the book, Seeger was frequently accused of appropriating of songs that didn’t belonged to someone like him and “watered down” for a white middle class audience. There was this folk group of people called the neo-ethnics that despised Seeger’s songs calling them, “pseudo-proletarian fabrications”. If Seeger was beginning his career right now, he would be called worst and very probably not only him but also the so called “neo-ethnics”. They easily would be canceled for cultural appropriation and worst of all, by a bunch of ignorant idiots on Internet that doesn’t have any idea what they are talking about! And who knows 0 about folk music! I’m sure of that! Lol EDITED Also this is the guy defending BC, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_GaydosWell him and the mythical Janes Maslin, ex lead NYT films and books critic.
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