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Post by sgev1977 on May 20, 2023 22:40:00 GMT
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Post by queenzod on May 21, 2023 15:08:56 GMT
Doing my due diligence, I started researching Pete Seeger, and found this terrific doc on YouTube. It covers his childhood and his folk/labor/environmental activism. Dylan’s in it (as well as other musicians & family members), but it doesn’t go into their split. This role is soooooo perfect for BC, all the way down to Pete’s lovely soul. 🥰 m.youtube.com/watch?v=Czk2hj4VISg
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Post by sgev1977 on May 21, 2023 16:53:27 GMT
Yes, I just hope that like a lot of people say, he isn’t presented as the villain of the film. He is a beloved figure so I doubt it but as you can see in that I’m Not Here clip he has been interpreted as such before. Of course, he is just an extra in that movie. He is barely there. Allen Ginsberg Is the nice “paternal” figure with Seeger as the scandalized closed minded adult. I don’t remember they even included a Joan Baez figure. The Cate Blanchet segment was mostly about the hip Dylan in London. The folk character was represented as a black kid lying about his identity. Something the young Dylan frequently did.
I watched Ford Vs Ferrari. It’s a very well made sport movie but a little too long! Lol By the way, th film has a few cartoonishly baddies based on real people but I doubt they dare to do the same with someone like Seeger! I mean those were powerful car executives! It’s not the same! Also, the co-writer is a Scorsese collaborator so he should be more subtle.
I wonder who would play Woody Guthrie? Famously, the first thing Dylan did in New York was visiting him in the hospital. He was in a very bad state by then but I’m sure they will made a reference to those visits. They are very important to the “legend”.
EDITED A cool thing about Ford Vs Ferrari is that the movie presents the Italians car owner as a cartoon but they later not just do the same with the American rival but they added some maliciousness there. At the end, the Italian guy gives an approval gesture to the tragic hero while the Americans are screwing him up. He recognizes greatness on his rival, the Americans for which he is competing for doesn’t. They are incapable of it. So it’s not about a heroic American car company against some silly Europeans. It’s about male friendships and the big man destroying the person that made them look good.
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Post by MagdaFR on May 22, 2023 0:36:37 GMT
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Post by sgev1977 on May 22, 2023 1:07:45 GMT
It depends what they do with the material but if they really center on Dylan “going Electric”, Seeger should, at least, have a prominent role. I doubt they will be co-stars in the same level for the simple reason that Dylan is a much bigger international star than Seeger, who actually never wanted to be a star; they already secured Dylan’s songs but they haven’t said anything about Seeger’s catalog; and we know who plays two of his romantic interests (Well, one of them, was also a prominent Folk figure who also kinda felt betrayed by him when he become a rock star). BC hasn’t even formally announced nor who plays Seeger’s wife or if she is in the film. It’s, obviously, all about Dylan and Chalamet.
But the book the film is based on dedicates its entire first chapter to Seeger, the second is about Dylan and the next four about the Folk scene centering mostly on Dylan but not so much as you would imagine. They are also about the multiple artist there, including Seeger, and each one of the Newport festivals until 1964. I’m about to read the seventh chapter.
EDITED The book clearly is presenting Seeger as the soul, body and face of Newport Festival and the Folk revival. Dylan was part of all that. He was nurtured by that but (in)famously later rebelled against it. The movie supposedly is about it but, if they go beyond the festival and try to portrait all his New York adventures (he was photographed by Warhol before being famous!) then they could go Bettye book. We will see.
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Post by queenzod on May 22, 2023 1:16:13 GMT
However they develop the script, I just know BC is going to steal this movie. He can act circles around Chalamet, lol. 😈
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Post by sgev1977 on May 22, 2023 1:36:39 GMT
Chalamet doesn’t look nothing like Dylan. He is too pretty! But he is really good playing cocky teenagers. I didn’t liked him in Little Women but as a modern kid like young Dylan? Sure! He is great! We will see about the faked “roughness” in Dylan (he falsely presented himself as the “real thing”: a folk singer from the South who abandoned his working class house. The opposite of refined Yankees acts like Seeger and Baez but then Newsweek discovered he was just a middle class Jewish boy from a good nice family and he felt extremely humiliated! Lol)
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Post by sgev1977 on May 22, 2023 1:56:39 GMT
About the girlfriends, Elle Fanning is supposedly playing a woman called Sylvia Russo. I think she probably is playing a fictional version of Suze Rotolo. She was his girlfriend at the time before Joan Baez. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suze_RotoloI wonder why they changed her name.
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Post by sgev1977 on May 24, 2023 1:57:08 GMT
OT But I read about the new Joaquin Phoenix movie that he was about to shoot next month just being canceled/suspended because a possible actors strike in July. The producers just couldn’t find an insurance company willing to take the risk. It was a more humble project that this film but I was thinking that there is still a possibility We have a lot of luck with Eric because it’s in his last days of filming (only 3 days! Lucy Forbes posted today) and it’s a British production so the writer’s contract wasn’t a WGA contract to beginning in but this movie is 100% American. Although Actors joining Writers would be huge and probably resolving things much faster but also who knows if SAG would dare! I remember the last WGA strike but I have never heard about actors protesting! Maybe when Charlie Chaplin, Mary Pickford and others funded United Artists? But it wasn’t a strike! EDITED Ok There was one in 2000 but it wasn’t against studios, playbill.com/article/at-23-weeks-sag-aftra-strike-is-now-longest-entertainment-strike-in-history-com-92358EDITED, More research, The last one against big studios was in 1986 but it was just a few hours. The last big one was in 1980, en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_actors_strike43 years ago!
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Post by sgev1977 on May 25, 2023 16:13:24 GMT
I just finished the book and it's really good. It's not a Bob Dylan biography per se. It's about Newport and, in particular, about the fuss Dylan caused at Newport in 1965. And the book it's very meticulous and serious so it's full of details like playlists of musical acts that played at the festival from its funding to the 1965 and some important data about what happened in the 1970s, when it returned in the mid-1980s until today!
Dylan's girlfriends are there but you won't find too many personal gossip about their relationships. Maybe that Dylan mostly ignored Baez during his London tour (something very obvious in the classic documentary!). Something that increased her feelings that he was abandoning her but also abandoning the Folk scene and what it meant. She is a constant presence in the book but mostly as an artist. The other girlfriend is mostly quoted about Dylan's work and the times. But very little about their relationship. It is just some witness who was there.
Pete Seeger is indeed a some kind of co-star in the book or an "antagonist" except that the author is very objective and doesn't take sides. Everything spin around Dylan but the soul of the festival itself is represented by Seeger. So yeah, if they are faithful to the book, it should be a very significant if not major role.
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