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Post by sgev1977 on Feb 25, 2024 10:56:45 GMT
Don’t take me wrong, I’m very happy for Murphy. I think he is a great actor and after a lot of years I’m glad he is recognized in Hollywood and as a lead! (He is more frequently than not a supporting actor in Hollywood). But it’s fascinating how someone like Paul Giamatti isn’t apparently worthy of a long deserving “consolation” award like Will Smith or Brendan Fraser were! Even when he actually deserves it not just for his long career but also because the performance in the movie for which he was nominated! Certainly much more than the other two! And he isn’t competing against Jones, I know, but the other two performances in that film totally revolved around his.
I guess that’s the difference between a movie star (Smith and Fraser. One bigger than the other but both were kinda big at certain point in the 1990s and early 2000s. Both also with kinda limited talent but charismatic) and a character actor. It’s kinda sad, tho.
It seems also that Oppenheimer is just too huge for Hollywood to ignore. I hope it really change people’s consumption of entertainment. I’m very cynical to consider it artistically game changing. It’s not! But maybe those closed minded idiots who think historical films, bios and not superhero films are worthless could expand their interests and, who knows, maybe influence the way Hollywood studios release movies.
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Post by sgev1977 on Feb 25, 2024 11:16:39 GMT
OT but did you see that the director of the movie about the Williams sisters flick just had a major hit in the box office with his Bob Marley bio? I read an analysis saying how it made much more in just a few days than his last movie and without a big star in the cast! Of course, the star in the new film is Bob Marley!
But yeah, Smith movie was a big failure in the box office at the time. Almost no one watched it! Of course, they were decided to award Smith no matter what because it was *his* year (and he tragically boycotted it!). You can say, in retrospective, that BC didn’t have a chance with those voters but it’s amazing how there are still people out there who think that and Coda (another flick that wasn’t almost not watched by anyone!) were more popular than TPOTD. Netflix promoted TPOTD to the sky and yeah, I’m sure it was more watched that most of the other supposedly more “accessible” movies but yeah, probably that also affected it. It’s a much more complex piece and maybe not for everyone but the idea that CODA or the Williams’s father flick were more beloved by audiences and that’s the reason they won by some award pundits is bonkers. No one watched them! lol
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Post by MagdaFR on Feb 25, 2024 15:14:59 GMT
I don't care anymore for awards and trying to understand the motivations of the voters, I will never understand them. I'll just use the awards as I once did to have an idea of what movies are perhaps good to watch, and for fun.
Btw I finally made the number of posts I needed on AW to see all the content and it was a disappointment. I was expecting they have some hidden knowledge about actors and other cinema people, things that happen in Hollywood and we, simple mortals, don't know and, no, except from news from festivals (for which you don't need the special access) the "gossip" it's nothing I couldn't find by myself searching internet if I wanted. The hidden threads are more like a common forum with general news, threads for particular actors, games, etc.
Oppenheimmer, Nolan and Murphy have been campaigning for months and are everywhere. Even Greta slowed down after some time. They're still at it. They're like today's Redcarpet.
Even when I didn't care for King Richard the fact is that it was released in times when people didn't go to the movies. And it is not a bad movie.
The thing is that TPOTD wasn't either watched much on Netflix? I watched Roma at the cinema and it was here for 3 or 4 months, TPOTD was released in cinemas just in some places, days before it was going to streaming and in a limited basis.
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Post by sgev1977 on Feb 25, 2024 15:44:01 GMT
It’s difficult to know for sure what’s is watched and what it’s not on Netflix but according to their own statistics (and also Nielsen) it was widely watched worldwide. I think Netflix can easily manipulate the algorithm to widely “offer” a particular movie they really want people to watch and that they kinda did it with TPOTD (they didn’t do it with “Henry Sugar” even when in theory it could had been more accessible). So yeah, I believe it was more watched that King Richard and Coda. It doesn’t mean everyone loved it because again it’s not for everyone but I actually saw some circunstancial evidence that people who doesn’t watch arty films, watched it or at least heard about it. I don’t think there was too many everyday people talking about CODA and one of the leads is a huge Mexican comedy star!
I think Roma was more widely shown on theatres in our countries because it’s a “Latinos” film. Just remember that TPOTD actually had also a normal run in Australian and New Zealand movie theaters. Actually, in their case it was negotiated since the beginning. I remember Alfonso Cuarón literally searching on Twitter for independent movie theatres owners who wanted to show his film here in Mexico. Big chains refused and he has Netflix authorization but not screens.
IMHO Oppenheimer is beyond Oscar campaigns. The movie was just too huge and everyone in Hollywood wants to believe it’s because franchises dominance is finished and mid serious movies/Oscar movies will comeback. Of course, Oppenheimer isn’t a mid budget movie and the big star is a director who became extremely popular thanks to Batman flicks but that’s the hope. I think that’s the main reason they are widely voting for it.
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Post by roverpup on Feb 26, 2024 12:17:13 GMT
Just saw The Holdovers! Really, really enjoyed it!!
PG was brilliant. So was Dominic Sessa and Da'Vine Joy Randolph. In fact all the cast is.
What really puzzles me is that the movie was clearly labeled "R" for Restricted. Why? I've seen more risqué material on regular TV.
Anyway I highly recommend it! It's the perfect marriage of director, material and actors!
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Post by ellie on Feb 26, 2024 21:52:59 GMT
Just saw The Holdovers! Really, really enjoyed it!! PG was brilliant. So was Dominic Sessa and Da'Vine Joy Randolph. In fact all the cast is. What really puzzles me is that the movie was clearly labeled "R" for Restricted. Why? I've seen more risqué material on regular TV. Anyway I highly recommend it! It's the perfect marriage of director, material and actors! I don’t know what age limit an R rating imposes. Our ratings here in Ireland just indicate G (i.e general - suitable for all ages) then 12,15 and 18 - the ages from which viewing is deemed appropriate. The Holdovers is 15 here. Presumably because there is a fair bit of swearing and some references to sex in it. Personally I thought it was more of a 12. I wish they could do a shared Oscar because I think Giamati and Murphy were equally good. |
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Post by sgev1977 on Feb 26, 2024 23:42:37 GMT
I don’t remember the drug nor the sex! lol
I guess the kids smoked some pot? And the sex? There’s a New York prostitute offering her services and rejected by Giamatti and some dialogue about it. Maybe it’s that!
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Post by roverpup on Feb 29, 2024 17:42:19 GMT
Well there was that "suggestive" piece of Greek pottery! LOL!
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Post by sgev1977 on Mar 7, 2024 0:21:51 GMT
I’m glad critics are defending Bradly Cooper from the awful award pundits on Film Twitter,
But I still remember professional critics (not Guy Lodge) using that kind of ridiculous accusation against other actors. Especially, of course, The Telegraph one who claimed that BC was also obsessed with winning the award in a piece about TCW being rescued by Martin Scorsese because it was more important to attack a popular British actor that defending maybe a not so good indie flick (that was not relevant!) that was first edited without the authorization of the filmmakers by an actual very evil producer (much more than anyone behind the Coyote movie!) and later almost was buried because the awful behavior of that same guy. Who cares about art, artists freedom and a legend doing everything in his power to save a film by a young filmmaker. No, it’s all about laughing that the British guy wasn’t nominated to the Oscar! Then later they moaned about mid budget drama movies disappearing!
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Post by queenzod on Mar 7, 2024 3:46:58 GMT
I don’t understand the vilification of TCW. It’s an excellent movie (the newer version, edited by Scorsese). It had some hard hitting points, great acting in BC being twisted by grief, arrogance, and competitiveness to build that damn electric chair, and especially with Michael Shannon turning in one of the best roles of his career. I just don’t get it.
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