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Post by MagdaFR on Jun 1, 2024 12:46:52 GMT
I'm not reading the discussion because I haven't watch it yet.
There is this subreddit new.reddit.com/r/EricTVSeries/ where you can post comments on the series. I remember that when I joined the Baby Reindeer sub it had less people than Eric´s now. Now is over 40000. That's in part because some people are very creepy and they just comment on real Martha. They stalked that woman. They're worse than her imo because she obviously has mental health issues. But, it started growing because people commented there.
I guess that Baby Reindeer is more engaging but I thought that perhaps you, those who watched it, could post there. There are dicussion threads by episode.
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Post by onebluestocking on Jun 2, 2024 6:08:51 GMT
I'm only on episode 3 and am enjoying it, but don't like that they seem to be implying that
SPOILER
gay men are automatically suspected pedophiles. Also, why didn't the mom tell the police that she saw a homeless woman wearing Edgar's jacket? Or at least follow the woman and ask where she got it?
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Post by onebluestocking on Jun 2, 2024 6:10:56 GMT
I really love BC's puppeteering scenes, though! And I like Eric, too, especially his grumbly voice.
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Post by queenzod on Jun 2, 2024 7:43:08 GMT
Forty years later and gay men are still automatically suspected of being pedophiles. At least among many far right conservatives. It seems to be a matter of projection. Every week there’s at least one “Christian” youth pastor or minister arrested and/or charged for child sexual assault.
As to the reason for the mom not going further with the jacket, 1) I thought she assumed it was only similar to Edgar’s jacket, or 2) the plot required she not go there yet.
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Post by MagdaFR on Jun 2, 2024 9:42:06 GMT
I'm only on episode 3 and am enjoying it, but don't like that they seem to be implying that gay men are automatically suspected pedophiles. BI only watched episode 1 but the series is set in the 80's. Still now right wingers do that when the pedophiles/rapists are mostly straight men.
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Post by MagdaFR on Jun 2, 2024 9:56:35 GMT
Having seen only episode 01 I don't understand why most of the reviews say that Vincent is a terrible person. He is an alcoholic for starters and yes kind of an asshole. But he obviously loves his son (and wife?) even when he doesn't know how to treat him, he's impatient. Cassie is also very flawed, the discussion they had the night before Edgar's disappearance was from both parents and Cassie was violent.
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Post by roverpup on Jun 2, 2024 10:47:18 GMT
Dan and I watched the first three episodes yesterday and will probably finish the series today.
Dan especially likes the missing child story and said he finds all the acting "exceptional". I agree - BC is top-notch of course, but Gabby H. is phenomenal as well. She looks and feels like a woman who has suffered years of stress and coping in an impossible situation.
Loved the "Gloria" scene!
After we finish the series I'll check back in here to discuss more. I've been avoiding reading too much on here and other places because I want to experience it fresh.
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Post by sgev1977 on Jun 2, 2024 11:27:41 GMT
Yeah, I don’t think he is the horrible human being that some reviewers said. Especially, if you compares him with other characters form movies of that time! I can’t imagine what these critics would said of heroic characters like Serpico for not mentioning villains from movies from that time! And no, humans being aren’t getting better. It’s just that fictional characters are becoming one dimensional! I’m not defending the series, of course, but Vincent and Cassie flawed characters and the performances of their respective actors were the saving grace of the whole thing. About the gay/pedophile comparison, yes that’s a issue that I mentioned above and it’s because the forced attempt to link both stories. Those “pedophiles” were basically powerful closeted men who probably liked their men slightly too young, which it’s illegal and horrible, of course, but it is something very different of pedophilia and the homeless woman trying to sell Edgar to the ring. It was borderline homophobic, yeah, and clearly that’s why the police man was a gay man but it didn’t resolved the issue because the point of his storyline was that if he continued in the closet, he could become a man like those: a powerful man who ends accidentally being involved in a murder plot because couldn’t openly said that he was gay and an easy victim of blackmail. Thats coherent! That politician also got involved with a minor, tho. And then there is the perplexing issue about Edgar potentially being sell to that ring.
And then, there is the even more irreal fantasy than the talking puppet that every powerful men is involved in the ring, again controlled by a random kid who also has a job of security guard (!) and seems to be the main or maybe only prostitute working in the ring(!!!), but it’s very easily destroyed by a random policeman in just three seconds even when he is allegedly powerless because he is black and gay! Such a shame what happens with this series because production values, direction and, especially, the acting is sublime but the procedural plot is so naively stupid and then there’s the Nora Ephron homage in the last episode that seems very out of place.
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Post by mllemass on Jun 2, 2024 12:30:57 GMT
In one of the behind-the-scenes interviews, they talked about how they selected the music that was used for the soundtrack. They said that other than Gloria, the audience probably would never have heard of any of the songs unless they’d been to a nightclub during that time.
But, in fact, they used one song in the final episode that I absolutely recognized - I’m Not in Love, by 10CC. That song brings back vivid memories of my first year of university. In my English class, our professor was explaining a literary device where a character says or one thing, but actually means the opposite. Then, the professor used another example, and played I’m Not in Love for us, and showed us the lyrics. I will never forget sitting there in class, listening to that gorgeous song, thinking “Wow, university is so cool! The professors play songs that have been on the radio!”
I think it was to illustrate “protesting too much”, where every that line explains how he’s not in love is obvious proof that he is.
I’ve loved that song ever since then! And, coincidentally, I have it on my phone. I also have Gloria, but the original Italian version by Umberto Tozzi.
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Post by sgev1977 on Jun 2, 2024 13:31:57 GMT
Something I loved was how wonderful the faces of some of the small roles and extras’ people were. They really looked like people from that age and place. Roes example, I loved the garbage man’s face, which to be fair, was kinda supporting! I really think that Lucy Forbes did a great work but the silly plot just failed her. Look this scene, It ends with the revelation that Vincent’s friend has a criminal past for sexual abuse with minors and it’s so evocative thanks to BC’s performance but also to her direction. The probable huge betrayal! But, again, the plot doesn’t really go there!
I would had wished it centered on Vincent, not the frivolous way it tried to do social issues, and why no? Really touching the just suggested dark theme. At the end, it was kinda daring but also very coy
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