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Post by sgev1977 on Jun 4, 2024 1:17:39 GMT
The tone of the last episode, especially, the Vincent’s plead to his son during the protest. It’s not directed to a woman but it’s the typical “please, forgive me” from romantic comedies.
I specifically mentioned Nora Ephron because alongside Taxi Driver and Kramer vs Kramer was cited by Morgan as her main influences for the series,
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Post by sgev1977 on Jun 4, 2024 1:38:26 GMT
By the way, I’m not being comparing it to Ephron in bad faith. That’s what I think she was trying to do because she said so and I understood it when I watched that last episode. I don’t think the change of tone was very successful but I understood what she was trying to do remembering that it was an homage to the 1970s dark New York films and Nora Ephron movies.
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Post by mllemass on Jun 4, 2024 4:03:26 GMT
The tone of the last episode, especially, the Vincent’s plead to his son during the protest. It’s not directed to a woman but it’s the typical “please, forgive me” from romantic comedies. I specifically mentioned Nora Ephron because alongside Taxi Driver and Kramer vs Kramer was cited by Morgan as her main influences for the series, Yes, I can see that now. Thanks for explaining! I do remember the mention of New York-set movies that influenced Eric. And I agree that Vincent/Eric pleading with Edgar on tv to race him home does seem very Nora Ephron-ish - if it had ended there. We see the boy and his parents have a teary reunion on the front steps of their home, and NE would have ended with that. Instead, the show continues and we see what happens to the characters and the storylines after that.
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Post by mllemass on Jun 4, 2024 11:32:55 GMT
Someone on Twitter posted pictures of Vincent touching the top of his head, which he did a lot during the show. That reminded me of a thought I had while I first watched it.
When we find out that the blood on Edgar’s t-shirt was from the cut on Vincent’s head, I wondered why no one checked him out for a concussion. I suppose everyone’s more careful about that these days! But a concussion would surely explain Vincent waking up to Eric talking to him - he had a head injury!
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Post by jbc12 on Jun 4, 2024 14:27:52 GMT
I got to binge this today with a neighbour who is on holiday. Popcorn, salted caramel pretzels and BC. Best day I've had all year. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) It's an easy watch, considering the very heavy subject matters! Well directed and wonderfully acted. However, I agree that the last episode felt off. The fight club scene was so unnecessary (and dumb) and it had me rolling my eyes. Those minutes were wasted. I also didn't feel comfortable with the way TJ and Raya discussed the sale of Edgar. It was almost cartoonish, the way they talked about it. 'Evil villain rubs hands with glee, with a corny Cheshire smile at the thought of a 9 year old'. I don't know, it was flippant and felt too casual. The dialogue wasn't right for the seriousness of what they were plotting here. I liked the portrayal of Detective Ledroit. I know many thought he was wooden but I felt he was just emotionally shut off because he's guarding himself from being outed and ostracized, so that led to him seeming cold and distant. However, if you take that angle, his plot in the final episode where he uncovers what happened to Marlon stops making sense. Here's this man who is so afraid of discrimination (both due to his race and his orientation) that he's distant, working alone and in the shadows all series long, yet the second he plays this cctv footage of Marlon, all the officers on the force take his side!? If there were true discrimination, they would have gone against him irrespective of the evidence he had (and even more so because this "other" was going to uncover the misdeeds of their own kind). So, I felt it was a bit of an unrealistic way to tie up that plot. Also, I wanna know how Edgar was going to pay for that French toast. 😂 The corny bit of him being in a diner the exact moment his father was sending him that message is something I'm going to ignore, but really, where did he get money for the breakfast? Did I miss Yussuf giving him money? I'm trying not to think about it anymore because I feel like I'll find more plot holes and I don't want to ruin it for myself. I love how easily and convincingly BC emotes real suffering and I felt Gaby matched him well on that front.
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Post by mllemass on Jun 4, 2024 15:24:51 GMT
Ha! Along those thoughts, if the French toast diner was close to Edgar’s home, why didn’t the waitress recognize him? Wouldn’t all the businesses in the area have been questioned about a missing boy? And there were flyers everywhere with Edgar’s photo!
I agree - it’s better to ignore those minor details!
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Post by queenzod on Jun 4, 2024 16:27:10 GMT
If I owned a diner and a little boy came in alone you’d better bet I’d be asking him some questions. Where’s his family? Why isn’t he in school? Does he live nearby? Sure I’d feed him up even if he didn’t have any money but to be so incurious at the situation beggars belief. But there were a lot of plot holes, so you’re right. Best not to think too hard on it. 😂
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