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Post by ellie on Oct 15, 2017 15:24:22 GMT
I don't know how to put this without being misconstrued but here goes.
Firstly let me make it clear that I totally oppose HW's behaviour and hope that his story will also help shed light on abuses elsewhere in the industry.
However I must say that I do find the amount of holier than thou statements, rush to jump on the condemnation bandwagon and competitive piety that is going on among actors and other industry insiders a tad tedious and self serving and, let's face it, butt covering.
Everybody is very brave now the dragon is all but slain. But what did any of them actually do about the guys behaviour before now?
The people I'm referring to are those who have said they knew what a dreadful person he was.
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Post by MagdaFR on Oct 15, 2017 15:56:05 GMT
I was always a bit surprised that BC worked with Weinstein again after calling him a disgusting man, or a revolting man or loathsome man or an equivalent in an interview (just remember it was said rather than when). Without clarification, I thought it was a foolish thing to have done at the time, when Weinstein was seen as such a powerful figure in the industry but also supposed it reflected something very unpleasant. I don't remember that quote. When he was at TIFF he spoke about having a harsh time from Weinstein because he didn't sat with AOC cast for SAG (?). TIG wasn't BC's fault because it wasn't he who sold it to Weinstein. I still think Weinstein made him do all the promotion for TIG. Why he accepted to play TCW? Maybe because he got nominated? |
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Post by coolclearwaters on Oct 15, 2017 16:09:05 GMT
Kate Winslet said her refusal to thank Weinstein was about his abominable behavior as a producer and tendency to claim credit for and exploit the talent of others, not the sexual abuse. Barkin talked about this, too. I’m sick of hearing about what a great filmmaker he was. Plenty of great or good films got made without him.
I think some people are trying to make themselves look better by complaining, but a lot of what people are saying takes courage - even now. Part of the point is that people’s careers were destroyed because they resisted. Not hard to understand. I completely get the fury. They have to keep it up if anything is going to change.
It disappoints me when people work with Woody Allen. I truly hate his guts. He’ll probably live forever, like Kissinger and Chaney.
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Post by MagdaFR on Oct 15, 2017 16:15:56 GMT
However I must say that I do find the amount of holier than thou statements, rush to jump on the condemnation bandwagon and competitive piety that is going on among actors and other industry insiders a tad tedious and self serving and, let's face it, butt covering. Everybody is very brave now the dragon is all but slain. But what did any of them actually do about the guys behaviour before now? The people I'm referring to are those who have said they knew what a dreadful person he was. I think that many people just want that the dragon is considered slain because it is not like there aren't other Weinsteins or similar in the industry. How many others are being denounced? The thing is that nothing is going to change much imo. It's like #Oscarssowhite. The POC got a year (last one) and this one all the nominations seem to be going to white people again. The basic problem persists. |
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Post by coolclearwaters on Oct 15, 2017 16:29:49 GMT
I hope things will change. It’s going to take strategizing and organizing to make it happen.
The success of the Oscars So White campaign was always going to be limited, or at least gradual, because it focused on the end result rather than the number of films being made by POC and the number of roles for POC. That doesn’t mean there hasn’t been some change, but results will probably be seen eventually rather than immediately.
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Post by ellie on Oct 15, 2017 16:49:34 GMT
I would like to see some people calling out other offenders. Just reacting to HW as though there were no others is not much use.
As for Woody Allen. I find his case really perplexing. It's very weird that he married Soon Yi but the sitation with Dylan is very strange and there does seem to be a question mark over Mia Farrow's motivation there. It's too long a story to go into here but I've read lots about it from both sides and honestly don't know what to think. If I were on a jury and had to make a call on it based on the evidence currently in the public domain I would find it very difficult.
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Post by coolclearwaters on Oct 15, 2017 17:22:16 GMT
Woody Allen f@*ked and married his son’s sister (Soon Yi). He’s a monster.
He also sued Mia for custody of their children. He wanted her children taken away - purely out of revenge. There were no cameras in the court room, but it was reported on daily, and at length, by CourtTv. Allen was such a self-centered parent that he didn’t know the names of the children’s friends, teachers, doctors, or even their pets. The judge ruled against him and was absolutely scathing. He said that he found no problem with Farrow’s parenting and that her only problem was her association with Woody Allen. Allen gives narcicists a bad name.
I have no problem believing Dylan. I can’t think of one reason on God’s formerly green Earth to believe Allen. His predilection seems to be incest rather than pedophilia. Like many men who commit incest, he probably kept most of his abuse in what passed for his family.
Btw, he was a brilliant standup comedian and comedic actor, but his “serious” movies suck.
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Post by ellie on Oct 15, 2017 17:28:11 GMT
But then there's reports that say it was out of revenge that Farrow got Dylan to say he'd abused her. I'm not disagreeing with you on his behaviour in marrying Soon Yi. It's just the Dylan story I find extremely complex judging from what I've read and I accept that I probably have not read absolutely everything.
Also what do you mean by "his son's sister." ?
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Post by coolclearwaters on Oct 15, 2017 17:40:52 GMT
Soon Yi is Ronan’s sister by adoption. As someone with adopted cousins, I can assure you that they are emotionally siblings as much as any biologically related siblings.
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Post by ellie on Oct 15, 2017 17:47:42 GMT
Yes. I don't doubt it.
By the way isn't Ronan suppossed to be Frank Sinatra's son? There certainly is a definite resemblance.
i find the whole Farrow/Allen situation incredibly byzantine.
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