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Post by coolclearwaters on Oct 15, 2017 17:56:58 GMT
That’s just an angry joke they made in an attempt to distance themselves from any association with Allen. Ronan looks like Mia. Even if, by some chance, Woody and Ronan are not biologically related, Soon Yi is still his sister - and the sister of Mia’s other children who Allen adopted. That doesn’t even take into account the emotional repercussions for Mia’s other children.
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Post by sgev1977 on Oct 15, 2017 17:59:58 GMT
I was always a bit surprised that BC worked with Weinstein again after calling him a disgusting man, or a revolting man or loathsome man or an equivalent in an interview (just remember it was said rather than when). Without clarification, I thought it was a foolish thing to have done at the time, when Weinstein was seen as such a powerful figure in the industry but also supposed it reflected something very unpleasant. I don't remember that quote. When he was at TIFF he spoke about having a harsh time from Weinstein because he didn't sat with AOC cast for SAG (?). TIG wasn't BC's fault because it wasn't he who sold it to Weinstein. I still think Weinstein made him do all the promotion for TIG. Why he accepted to play TCW? Maybe because he got nominated? According to all reports he was a very manipulative guy but it’s impossible to know what really happened. Agreed that if there is an error there it was accepting TCW. I don’t remember that quote neither but I did remember one in which he said something along the lines that some producers were nasty/mean and that maybe they have to be that way to be successful (I’m sure he was talking about the bullying not sexual harassment!) but he wanted to have his own indie company and was disappointed/maybe disgusted (?) to think that it’s the only way. It was around TIG. I can’t find the quote, tho. He also said he didn’t want to campaign for the movie because he was busy doing The Hollow Crown but that Weinstein was very stubborn and was insistently calling him (after reading all those stories I can’t imagine now that they were kind calls). That both wanted the movie to success and made Turing a familiar name but he just couldn’t do that campaign. He said something similar to some fans in an event: “He definitely won’t do an award campaign”. Then he did it. Later during the Oscar he said he “didn’t kissed all the babies he was told to kiss” but he did at least a little of what he said he didn’t wanted to do. Then there is this very cryptic quote during the Governors award, the first event in which Weinstein was introducing him to voters: www.theguardian.com/film/2014/nov/10/oscars-2015-governors-awards-jessica-chastain-benedict-cumberbatchIt was so melodramatic that I never forgot it! Of of course he said all those things while being a nice boy and in a kind context without polemic. It’s just that there was always something off when he talked about Weinstein. He never was openly critical of him but he normally it’s much more complimentary of people who he works with. He called him something like “a charismatic monster” in that podcast in which he mentioned the SAG incident. That was a very weird compliment. |
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Post by coolclearwaters on Oct 15, 2017 18:07:19 GMT
I remember the Hollywood Awards show because Benedict was absolutely glowering. He looked so angry that people commented on it. Those awards are literally paid for. I remember that when Benedict gave his acceptance speech, he said his usual “this is an embarrassment of riches” except that he included a long pause after “This is an embarrassment “.
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Post by ellie on Oct 15, 2017 18:17:14 GMT
That’s just an angry joke they made in an attempt to distance themselves from any association with Allen. Ronan looks like Mia. Even if, by some chance, Woody and Ronan are not biologically related, Soon Yi is still his sister - and the sister of Mia’s other children who Allen adopted. That doesn’t even take into account the emotional repercussions for Mia’s other children. Of couse it doesn't make any difference to the situation with Soon Yi. I wasn't relating it to that. I do think he looks very like Frank Sinatra though. I hasten to add that is just my observation and I do not relate it in any way to the Soon Yi issue. |
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Post by MagdaFR on Oct 15, 2017 18:19:21 GMT
I would like to see some people calling out other offenders. Just reacting to HW as though there were no others is not much use. Asia Argento started talking about others. Some people named Ben Affleck after his statement about HW. Bjork made a statement on how she was harassed by a Danish director. She only worked with Von Trier. thefilmexperience.net/blog/2017/10/15/bjorks-danish-director-statement.htmlRe Woody Allen I think he is an awful human being. What he did to Soon Yi has no name. And also what he did to Mia seducing her daughter. He stated he waited till Soon Yi was 17 to have sex with her but who knows. He was in his 50's. When did he started planning the seduction? He is a creep. He could manipulate Soon Yi to do as he pleased without using force. His last comments show exactly what he is. He didn't care if someone was abusing actors. He didn't need to know. He just was interested on making a movie. I prefer to believe Dylan than him. To make women look like crazy people, complicated to work/live with is one of the things abusers do all the time so as to isolate their victims. So why doubt Mia? |
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Post by sgev1977 on Oct 15, 2017 18:38:18 GMT
I remember the Gevernor’s Award show because Benedict was absolutely glowering. He looked so angry that people commented on it. Those awards are literally paid for. I remember that when Benedict gave his acceptance speech, he said his usual “this is an embarrassment of riches” except that he included a long pause after “This is an embarrassment “. You are actually mixing The Hollywood Awards (that indeed are a fraud) with The Governor’s Award in which he wasn’t awarded, they are for lifetime achievement! It’s just that it’s considered the first event in the award campaign calendar. |
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Post by coolclearwaters on Oct 15, 2017 18:53:24 GMT
Oops! My mistake! I edited the post.
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Post by sgev1977 on Oct 15, 2017 18:56:10 GMT
TBH I also find the Woody Allen affair very complex and difficult. Yes, the judge was on her side but medics and researchers exonerated Allen. The line is tha they were all bought by Allen and who knows? Maybe considering what’s happening with Weinstein. Although it’s not the same a studio boss than a director of small movies like Allen.
There’s also the issue of the teenager adopted boy who then screamed to Allen that he was dead to him in court but now says Farrow is the abusive one and she coached them. He reconciled with Allen and now claims he is innocent.
Whatever it happened it’s a shame Dylan would never has justice and it’s almost impossible to know the truth now.
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Post by sgev1977 on Oct 15, 2017 19:03:30 GMT
Bjork was always direct about her bad relationships with Lars Von Trier but of course it was never mentioned anything about sexual harassment.
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Post by ellie on Oct 15, 2017 19:10:39 GMT
Why doubt Mia? Because I don't know her or what exactly went on and there are conflicting reports. I dont know Allen either. I don't deny that Allen marrying Soon Yi is questionable and weird at best but that doesn't mean he is lying about when he had sex with her or that he abused Dylan. Maybe he did. Maybe he didn't. I just don't know and it is honestly impossible to me to make a definite judgement call based on the multiplicity of different reports out there.
And I think it is very dangerous to form a view based on media coverage.
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