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Post by roverpup on Oct 28, 2017 23:56:02 GMT
Ellie Said:
Not the same thing to me at all. When he supports a team or a charity it is usually known through him making a statement in an interview. This was him just having dinner with his family. It was a private affair. He wasn’t making a statement - he was eating a meal.
If he had made a statement in an interview about switching to veganism and said the reasons why he did it, then I would have no problem with someone giving him the thumbs up for aligning himself with their way of life. But this somehow seems like jumping on a private moment and making it into public “hooray for our side!” sort of thing. That’s where the entitlement comes in - it is that every moment of his life is somehow available for fan consumption and/or approval or disapproval.
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Post by dreamsincolour on Oct 29, 2017 0:00:18 GMT
If he is a vegan, whether that's a new thing or not, it doesn't entirely surprise me. That vegan festival was a bit of a hint, but a lot of people with Buddhist leanings go vegan. I don't think it's a sensible diet just for moralistic reasons, though, but properly managed, it is a healthy diet. And more people should be taking account of the principle that one should be eating to live rather than living to eat (where one is in a fortunate enough position in the world to have that choice). There are many medical conditions that can be benefitted by changes in diet, not the least of which is the plague of type 2 diabetes that's afflicting the Western world in particular now. And I seem to recall that BC had an early ulcer some years back, so if he's predisposed to that sort of problem, I think there's a high probability that a vegan diet would be particularly good for him.
I don't know/remember what it was officially called, but I used to know a couple years ago who wouldn't eat anything that meant the plant would die for the eating. And that didn't just rule out all root vegetables but also onions, leeks, cabbage and practically anything that wasn't fruit. That was purely a "moral" preference, but it was just stupid in practice. And made worse by being evangelised as if they were on a much higher moral plane than everyone else. Yet I recall him, with (irritating and stupid) moralistic preaching fervour, pointing at a field full of cows and exclaiming how wonderful it was to see them in the field and how awful it was that they would be eaten, without apparently seeming to realise that if there wasn't an economic reason to keep such animals, they wouldn't exist at all!
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Post by ellie on Oct 29, 2017 0:10:35 GMT
Ellie Said: Not the same thing to me at all. When he supports a team or a charity it is usually known through him making a statement in an interview. This was him just having dinner with his family. It was a private affair. He wasn’t making a statement - he was eating a meal. If he had made a statement in an interview about switching to veganism and said the reasons why he did it, then I would have no problem with someone giving him the thumbs up for aligning himself with their way of life. But this somehow seems like jumping on a private moment and making it into public “hooray for our side!” sort of thing. That’s where the entitlement comes in - it is that every moment of his life is somehow available for fan consumption and/or approval or disapproval. :-)) I really don’t get your thinking on this Roverpup. All I see is a few tweets saying people are pleased to hear BC has become a Vegan. It’s not like anybody is claiming him as a spokesperson for Veganism or making a big song and dance about it. They’re just commenting on it, that’s all. As a matter of fact BC doesn’t make a statement every time he does something for charity. His visit to Great Ormond Street for example came to light because of a third party tweet. That was followed by lots of tweets expressing delight at his support for the charity. How is that different to this? When he’s been spotted at various music gigs you get tweets saying “ yay! BC likes (insert name of band here)”. How is that different to people saying “ Great to hear BC is a vegetarian.”?
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Post by ellie on Oct 29, 2017 0:27:51 GMT
I recall him, with (irritating and stupid) moralistic preaching fervour, pointing at a field full of cows and exclaiming how wonderful it was to see them in the field and how awful it was that they would be eaten, without apparently seeming to realise that if there wasn't an economic reason to keep such animals, they wouldn't exist at all! I’m a vegetarian and I’m feeling the need to stand up for the many who are like me given that in more than one post now I’m seeing rather disparaging terms applied to us. I, and many other vegetarians (probably most other vegetarians), fully accept that people like to and will eat meat and have no problem with that so long as the animals have a decent, properly cared for life and are slaughtered humanely. With factory farming, which is growing more and more prevalent to meet the growing human population’s demand for animal produce, animals lead truly miserable lives and there are horrible accounts of inhumane slaughter too. As for Fois Gras does anybody really need to eat pate that’s been produced by torturing an animal on a daily basis? I personally do not want to contribute any of that. But I don’t object to properly run organic farming. And no I don’t lecture friends and family. If I’m asked about it I explain my reasons for being a vegetarian and if I see or hear vegetarianism being stereotyped or misrepresented then I try to set the record straight. Otherwise I keep quiet, mind my own business and eat my veggie option while others enjoy their steak!
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Post by coolclearwaters on Oct 29, 2017 0:45:37 GMT
I completely agree with you about factory farming. It’s sickening. Part of me would like to become a vegetarian, but I’m not there yet. I can’t bring myself to eat chicken any more. I do try to eat humanely raised meat, when possible. I think pork is next on my list to eliminate. I love pork.
I’ve known several vegans and must admit that I found them to be absolutely insufferable. I refuse to fret over the exploitation of bees. Even the most rigid of these vegans had to eventually give it up because they were not able to meet all of their nutritional needs. They quit after performing extensive research on the topic. I hope Benedict doesn’t ruin his health.
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Post by ellie on Oct 29, 2017 0:54:50 GMT
I’m not a Vegan because the diet is very restrictive and if, like me, your prime objection is to inhumanely produced food, then you can still have a more varied diet by buying organic and free range produce. So I eat eggs and cheese. I don’t eat meat though because I actually find the idea of eating dead flesh kind of repulsive. I should add I don’t eat live flesh either!😀
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Post by sgev1977 on Oct 29, 2017 1:13:53 GMT
The advantage that someone as BC has compared with us simple mortals, is that it should be easier for rich people to maintain an extreme diet like that in a healthy way. It’s not cheap to have access to a varied and balanced vegan diet, supplements, nutritionists, the right restaurants, etc.
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Post by coolclearwaters on Oct 29, 2017 1:18:09 GMT
The vegans I knew had plenty of money and resources. That wasn’t the issue. They just eventually decided, after research, that the claims about being able to meet necessary nutritional requirements with a vegan diet were false. I don’t know if they were having health problems before quitting and I didn’t ask about the specifics of their research.
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Post by sgev1977 on Oct 29, 2017 1:31:41 GMT
Thinking about Marvel, he would need a lot of protein for Dr. Strange muscles.
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Post by dreamsincolour on Oct 29, 2017 2:24:12 GMT
You don't need to defend yourself for being a vegetarian, Ellie. There's nothing wrong with it. But you do obviously have a bit of an issue with other people not being similarly inclined because you've just insisted on referring to the eating of meat as the eating of dead flesh! That's what people who aren't vegetarian really don't like! That's unnecessary and intrinsically critical of anyone who does eat "dead flesh". And taking umbrage at my reference to one particular irritatingly stupid evangelising person (both of a couple really) was taking that comment completely and inappropriately out of context. It wasn't at all the reflection of negativity re all vegetarians, of all types, that you wanted to take it as. I'm not vegetarian now but I actually was for a number of years, although never for any "moral" reason. I certainly don't have a problem with it, I only do have a problem with people who argue from a perspective of ignorance, and preference of belief, rather than from common sense and logic (about anything). As already said above, it takes more care to be vegetarian, let alone vegan, but when managed properly, I do actually think that vegetarianism is probably healthier. It's certainly healthier than a diet that's heavy on meat and cheese. I actually only wouldn't go back to vegetarianism, myself, because I'm too conscious of my own personal need for whatever it is you get from oily fish. I wouldn't miss meat much (I don't eat a lot of meat), but I would miss my mackerel, salmon, trout, sardines etc. I do like my fish! And if I don't give myself a regular fix of oily fish, I feel the difference in my mood quite surprisingly quickly. I don't know if I'm more needful than others but I am sensitive to the rise of a certain irritability and reduction in facility to concentrate as needing to open one of the many tins of sardines I keep in the cupboard as a standby. They're amazing. I eat one of those and I'm back to normal in a matter of seconds! I wouldn't give fish up!
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