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Post by onebluestocking on Aug 22, 2018 18:40:32 GMT
Okay, I looked up her texts and she claimed "it wasn't raped (sic) but I was frozen. He was on top of me." Yeah, right, she looks really 'frozen':  She really likes to portray herself as the victim, even with this teen 20 years her junior. Didn't she also claim to be 'frozen' while HW performed oral sex on her? Now how many women who come forward will be ignored, questioned or assumed to be hiding their own sexual misconduct. Why did she push herself to the spotlight with this skeleton in her closet? |
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Post by ellie on Aug 22, 2018 19:19:09 GMT
That’s why I’m always wary of social media’s rush to judgement. I have no doubt that Harvey Weinstein abused his position to facilitate him acting inappropriately with women. But I’ve always thought the situation was more complex than it was first presented. Is Harry W a sleazeball? Yes I think so. Is he guilty of everything he’s been accused of? No I don’t think so.
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Post by sgev1977 on Aug 22, 2018 19:37:41 GMT
Asia's story always sounded strange to me. If someone raped you, why date them for a long time afterward? She and Rose both seem messed up, and IIRC they are the only two actually accusing HW of rape? Other victims allege inappropriate touching, harassment, indecent exposure, etc. but not actual physical attack. Why would his approach be different with those two and not the hundreds of others? It's unfortunate that their issues reflect badly on the movement as a whole. It makes me really angry, TBH. There were a few that accused him of rape. IMO from the ones who publicly told their story the most shocking one was the one by Anabelle Sciorra and she talks about rape. I believe Rose McGowan. Remember that she began to talk about it years before the scandal. She actually sued him and was silenced by a NDA. But it's clear she is not mentally right so it's not good idea to have her as a leader. Asia Argento's case was always very difficult. It could easily had been an abusive relationship considering that Weinstein is an abusive man but I don't think she had a legal case. I can believe that he raped/abused her but the fact that she accepted to have a romantic relationship with him after it shows she is an unstable woman, too. |
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Post by mllemass on Aug 22, 2018 19:48:17 GMT
I really don’t think this changes anything about the HW situation. I think that both scenarios can be true - what she said about HW, and this accusation against her. People do make mistakes and behave badly, but they should still be able to report a rape and be believed.
So many people were quick to defend James Gunn (We all make mistakes! It was years ago! He’s a different person now! He said he was sorry and won’t do it again!). Are we going to extend the same consideration to Asia Argento?
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Post by ellie on Aug 22, 2018 19:59:23 GMT
I really don’t think this changes anything about the HW situation. I think that both scenarios can be true - what she said about HW, and this accusation against her. People do make mistakes and behave badly, but they should still be able to report a rape and be believed. So many people were quick to defend James Gunn (We all make mistakes! It was years ago! He’s a different person now! He said he was sorry and won’t do it again!). Are we going to extend the same consideration to Asia Argento? I think none of us know enough about the situation to decide what did or did not happen in either HW or AA’s situations. I’m keeping an open mind about all of it, which is why I am not leaping on the HW is guilty of everything he’s been accused of bandwagon. Nor am I making any judgment about AA other than to say the latest development in relation to her just demonstrates that, whatever did or didn’t happen, these cases always turn out to be much more complex than they first appear and it takes a very long time to get to the truth. |
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Post by sgev1977 on Aug 22, 2018 20:05:37 GMT
I really don’t think this changes anything about the HW situation. I think that both scenarios can be true - what she said about HW, and this accusation against her. People do make mistakes and behave badly, but they should still be able to report a rape and be believed. So many people were quick to defend James Gunn (We all make mistakes! It was years ago! He’s a different person now! He said he was sorry and won’t do it again!). Are we going to extend the same consideration to Asia Argento? Of course both things can be true but we are talking here about a legal process and a social movement and how both could easily being affected by public perception of people involve in them. This is not about stupid jokes. I actually think the only link between Gunn's incident and Argento's (and Weinstein's) should not exist but sadly it does and that's the problem: it's people thinking they are the same or even comparable. Comparing people who said dumb jokes with people legally accused of rape just weakened the meaning of the word rape. It also helps the crazies with their conspiracy theories! |
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Post by onebluestocking on Aug 22, 2018 20:10:46 GMT
I didn't defend either one of them. And by the same token, if that were a photo of HW in bed with a 17 YO girl after he claimed she had lied about sleeping with him, we would be calling for his head. It's not okay just because a woman did it. As the mother of a boy only 3 years younger than that one, Asia Argento can go sit on a tack.
I don't see that AA's past has anything to do with HW's many other accusers, other than creating excuses for MRAs to say "see? These women are just as bad."
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Post by ellie on Aug 22, 2018 20:53:51 GMT
What are MRAs?
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Post by sgev1977 on Aug 22, 2018 20:57:53 GMT
Men Rights Activists.
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Post by ellie on Aug 22, 2018 20:59:55 GMT
Thanks Sgev. 😊
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