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Post by sgev1977 on Aug 25, 2018 2:04:21 GMT
I haven't watched the documentary neither but I understand the meetings in hotel rooms are very common in the movie business, according to articles. Apparently most of the time the suites are adapted for meetings (no bed!) and even for press interviews. So it's possible some women thought it would be a just a formal meeting. I remember some stories about finding a lot of people in the room who suddenly disappeared.
In the early days of the scandal some people talked about the importance of change this custom to finally end the so called "casting coach". I think that's another important demand. Much more useful than boycotting old movies!
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Post by sgev1977 on Aug 25, 2018 2:18:11 GMT
I’m sure that’s why HW never tried it on Meryl Streep. She would have smacked him. He chose women who were emotionally unsteady, and manipulated them. Just because they went along with it doesn’t make them not victims. TBF Streep was MERYL STREEP before Weinstein was an important player in Hollywood. She wasn’t a starlet. |
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Post by queenzod on Aug 25, 2018 4:47:34 GMT
Exactly! He chose young women trying to break into the business, who were probably unsure of how things “worked.”
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Post by ellie on Aug 25, 2018 11:37:20 GMT
Sorry to have got your back up QZ but at least it’s given us something to discuss. 😄. I do understand your point of view but I still find it hard to get my head round somebody choosing to massage a near naked HW when there was the option to walk out the door. Plus I don’t like the idea of women accepting that this was “how things worked.” I think that if you find yourself accepting that prostituting yourself is going to be part of your career path then you might want to seriously question the career you’ve chosen. Unless of course you have chosen to be a prostitute 😄. Then it is a legitimate part of the job description!
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Post by ellie on Aug 25, 2018 12:17:53 GMT
On slight tangent while I fully accept there are victims and women are treated badly, I do despair of the behaviour of my own sex sometimes.
A few years back myself and a colleague were on a business trip. Turned out that a well known pop group was also staying at the hotel as they were doing a concerts in that city. My colleague and I got talking to one of the restaurant staff who said “if you want a free floor show find a seat in the bar tonight around 11pm and sit back & watch.”
So we did. We saw the band come back to the hotel after the gig and go into a private room. In their wake were dozens of girls/women who proceeded to hang round the entrance to the private room hoping to run into a band member. Others began hooking up with some crew members who were drinking in the regular bar. We got talking to some of the women (including a mother and daughter combo who had spent thousands on following the band round every date on the tour and staying in the same hotels). It was obvious that most of these women were out to sleep with a band member or, failing that, some member of the crew. I could not help feeling is it any wonder some rich/famous/powerful men treat women with so little respect when they’re surrounded by women with zero self respect.
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Post by mllemass on Aug 25, 2018 12:30:37 GMT
But don’t you see that you’re now defending HW? His defence has been that yes, he did have relationships with these women and they were consensual. But the women could never have consented because he was their BOSS! That goes for all those other creepy old guys who have been exposed for the same thing - “Sure, I’m 75 and she was a 22-year-old intern, but I really thought she was into me when I walked around at work half-naked and then kissed her on the lips. How was I supposed to know she didn’t want it? She could have quit her job anytime, but she didn’t” .
Wasn’t there some old guy at CNN who was fired when it became known that he would go around making comments to women about their bodies? I’m sure in his mind, he was being charming and the women appreciated his comments. Why didn’t someone turn him in years ago? Those poor women had to tolerate being degraded every day just to do their jobs.
It’s the #MeToo movement that finally gave so many victims the courage to speak up - and to finally get those men fired.
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Post by ellie on Aug 25, 2018 13:08:10 GMT
I don’t see how me saying I can’t get my head round why some women agreed to massage HW rather than walk out the door, is defending HW.
What he did was still entirely wrong. I never said it wasn’t. I have said repeatedly that I think his behaviour is appalling.
What I’m struggling with is the women’s decision to go along with his behaviour rather than reject it. He was not their “boss” and even if he was, it didn’t give him the right to expect sexual favours or the women the obligation to grant them.
I’m afraid I don’t understand why you cannot see that it is possible to despise HW yet question whether all of his accusers are entirely legit. Forgive me if I’ve got the wrong end of the stick Milemass but you seem to believe that women’s stories must never be subject to scrutiny. I don’t see things that way. I believe when a serious allegation is made it needs to be seriously investigated.
Let me repeat once more, there is enough evidence out there to show that HW behaved appallingly and there is no defense for that. However that does not automatically mean that the stories of every women who is now accusing him should go unquestioned. And it just so happens that I find some of them a bit dubious.
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Post by cassandra on Aug 25, 2018 13:54:04 GMT
I also find some of the stories questionable, but the reality is none of us were there when the attacks (and I’m using that word deliberately) happened. We don’t know anything about the dynamics and none of us has a right to judge. It’s clear that HW is a predator. This has started an important movement, and given the weight of testimony, a couple of wrong-intentioned “me-tooers “ aren’t going to slow it down. And I
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Post by cassandra on Aug 25, 2018 13:55:17 GMT
Don’t like the word victim, prefer survivor.
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Post by mllemass on Aug 25, 2018 14:22:28 GMT
I can judge whatever I want! There are newspaper articles, interviews and witness reports - more than enough evidence for me to form a judgement. And by saying that you don’t believe all the “me-tooers”, you, also, are judging them.
Ok, I see that I’m in the minority here in my opinions, and that’s fine. If I am wrong, I’d rather be wrong believing the women rather than that rotten HW.
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