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Post by ellie on Nov 1, 2017 14:04:53 GMT
I agree that the stuff about GB is not serious although I can understand the women being uncomfortable. Maybe his family or handlers should be a little more aware and try to have some kind of buffer between him and women. I’m really not seeing a witch hunt here in the charges against men in the film industry. Most of what we’ve seen is along the lines of the Boston Globe’s reporting on the sexual abuse scandal in the Catholic Church - researched news articles about rampant, unchecked abuse within a powerful institution. That is what is driving the story. As with the Spotlight coverage, more victims have been emboldened to come forward by the reporting. So far, those targeted have been very low hanging fruit - men whose abuse has been a very open secret for years. The filing of criminal charges is not the only standard of proof here. Companies and institutions have an obligation to ensure that people who work for and with them are not being harassed or attacked. They need to conduct their own investigations and set up policies to prevent most of these abuses from continuing. Just because those investigations don’t take place in public doesn’t mean there aren’t safeguards in place. Women and other victims also need to organize and hold these creeps and their enablers feet to the fire - let them know that there will be consequences to their actions. Business as usual us just no longer acceptable. Of course people react on Twitter, but the reaction goes both ways. Anthony Rapp has been pilloried in some quarters and Asia Argento has been driven out of Italy. It is very difficult to control the behaviour of someone with dementia when they are among other people. They simply no longer have the capacity to choose how they behave and anyway most people understand that it is the “illness talking” not the real person in its grip. Also they don’t have “handlers”. They’re not wild animals. I’m sorry if that sounds snippy but it’s something that’s very close to home for me so maybe I’m being too sensitive. As as for the sex harassment claims, I actually agree with everything you say. Except - I believe we should wait until investigations are concluded before passing judgement.
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Post by coolclearwaters on Nov 1, 2017 14:14:49 GMT
Sorry Ellie. I was specifically referring to GB, who, as a former President, has a Secret Service detail and family around him at all times. He certainly has people who can gracefully prevent embarrassing encounters by standing between him and any women when in public.
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Post by ellie on Nov 1, 2017 14:22:07 GMT
No worries CCW. Apologies for misunderstanding you. Like I said Dementia is a sensitive topic for me so I was guilty of being overly touchy.
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Post by coolclearwaters on Nov 1, 2017 14:27:19 GMT
No apologies necessary. I’m sorry you are having to go through this! It must be very painful.
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Post by sgev1977 on Nov 1, 2017 14:43:14 GMT
The BBC is reporting another 3 accusations against Spacey by a movie director during an encounter in a bar, a British guy again in a bar and the Mexican actor who I menmtioned in the other thread and which I think it's more serious because there is not the "excuse" of too much drinks there and he is saying he harassed almost all men under 30 at the Old Vic and that everyone knew.
And Brett Ratner is also being accused now and again there were multiple rumours for years!
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Post by ellie on Nov 1, 2017 14:47:29 GMT
Also Jeremy Piven has been dded to the list of alleged sexual harrassers.
Will be very interesting to see where all of this ends up.
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Post by ellie on Nov 1, 2017 18:28:29 GMT
Now Dustin Hoffman joins the list.
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Post by sgev1977 on Nov 1, 2017 18:47:58 GMT
Wow! I was slightly surprised by Hoffman but then I read an article about his relationship with Meryl Streep during Kramer vs Kramer and he was a bully! One of those "Method" bullies!
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Post by ellie on Nov 1, 2017 21:02:22 GMT
Yeah the stories of him being very intense and “method” are well known but this is the first thing I’ve ever heard about him in relation to sexual harassment. He is the most surprising to me ......... so far.
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Post by coolclearwaters on Nov 1, 2017 21:44:15 GMT
I thought Meryl Streep is the one, years ago, who said that Hoffman was very inappropriate with her when they were making on Kramer vs.Kramer. I think he very nonchalantly grabbed her breast - nothing to do with the character. I’m under the impression that she really disliked him. I think that movie may have been one of the first where she had a big role, so she would have had very little power.
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