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Post by onebluestocking on Nov 10, 2017 12:09:22 GMT
The only thing I want, is for things to change going forward. I don't want this scandal to blow over, a little time pass, and harassers get right back to it next year or the year after. I want this to really make a difference in the way women are treated in the industry.
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Post by sgev1977 on Nov 10, 2017 12:11:39 GMT
I understand Ridley Scott/Sony wanting to save his movie but delate all material related to someone from their catalogue is not just silly but a dangerous precedent. What is next? They will erase all Hitchcock movies!? Chaplin? Allen? Polanski?
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Post by ellie on Nov 10, 2017 14:03:08 GMT
I think that it’s a tricky subject. If you start erasing the work of people accused of sexual harrassment, where do you stop? Does that mean everything Harvey Weinstein has been associated with has to be pulled from viewing? What about all the other innocent cast and crew members in those productions?
And if it’s right to erase current stuff then why is it ok to leave historic stuff untouched?
I think it’s all getting a bit silly. Deal with the issue of sexual harrassment and abuse by taking legal action, dealing with the guilty as appropriate and building a culture that will not tolerate such behaviour.
Erasing people from movies is just pointless “window dressing” and will end up causing more problems than it solves.
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Post by igs on Nov 10, 2017 15:55:55 GMT
Yes. I feel like one could - for once unironically - blame some of these companies of virtue signaling. "See us taking these huge steps" while skirting the issue that they worked with these people possibly knowing well what they were up to. It's like throwing stolen goods away to avoid being caught with them once they know they're being looked into.
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Post by mllemass on Nov 10, 2017 16:01:10 GMT
Won't those innocent people be hurt anyway if audiences boycott their movies and tv shows? Maybe it is silly that I only continue watching Project Runway because they've removed all mention of HW and his company, even though I know he's the producer, but that's what I feel is the right thing to do. I've never liked Louis CK, so I have no problem staying away from anything he does.
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Post by ellie on Nov 10, 2017 16:16:03 GMT
But really why should audiences boycott movies and TV shows just because one person who did wrong in their private life is associated with them? Does the fact that Harvey Weinstein produced TIG now make you a bad person if you watch it. Does the fact that Kevin Spacey may be proved to be a a sleazebag in real life make it wrong to say you’ve enjoyed lots of his movies? House of Cards had run its course anyway but to be totally honest, if the upcoming series was likely to be as good as the first series I would still want to watch it.
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Post by mllemass on Nov 10, 2017 16:41:07 GMT
But these things aren't about their private life. They involved people connected to their job. It would be very different if Louis CK's ex-girlfriend, for example, made public the disgusting things he did in private. Then I would agree that it has nothing to do with him as an actor and comedian. But these are colleagues who are making these accusations. And yes, I would boycott any work of theirs from now on.
HW's involvement with TIG is a done deal, but I suspect that his name won't be included if the movie gets re-issued.
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Post by sgev1977 on Nov 10, 2017 16:58:09 GMT
People can boycott whatever they want if it make them feel better but I think it's illogical action. If the purpose is to affect the accused person then they are affecting a lot of innocent ones too (maybe even the victims). And if the purpose is to erase any legacy then we would end with very little art (if it's doing in a logical way including every person accused ever) and again affecting the legacies of innocent people.
I understand they recasting things and maybe even the extreme measure of reshooting something but erase the past is not good.
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Post by ellie on Nov 10, 2017 16:58:20 GMT
I don’t know who Louis CK is so I can’t comment on him. But just because sonething is a “done deal” doesn’t make it any different. Either you boycott the work of someone or you don’t. And removing HW’s name from something doesn’t remove the fact that he was associated with it or make it any more ok to watch if your view is that you will not watch anything involving people guilty of sexual abuse or harrasment.
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Post by ellie on Nov 10, 2017 17:00:08 GMT
Totally agree Sgev, once you start down that road, where do you stop and how many innocent bystanders do you injure in the process?
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