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Post by mllemass on Apr 13, 2018 0:03:05 GMT
I haven't seen very many of the shows mentioned, but I did see Black Mirror. Why would Jesse Plemons be a Major Threat? I know that people were all excited by the Star Trek-type episode, but I didn't see anything special in his performance. How can Benedict in Patrick Melrose even be ranked at the same level? And Benedict in TCIT is only a Long Shot??
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Post by sgev1977 on Apr 13, 2018 0:38:20 GMT
TBF we haven’t watched BC performance and very probably neither them. It’s just pure speculation until now. Having said that, Patrick Melrose is a massive character and Showtime is certainly promoting the series with BC as the center and everything of it.
Jesse Plemons was great in that episode but yes, the character is more a political symbol than a complex figure as Patrick (at least in the book. Again we haven’t watched the series). Still, the episode was discussed by everybody so probably it would receive a nomination. Plemons has it more difficult because the star factor and the competition but we will see.
I hope Patrick Melrose has a powerful reception. Showtime in general doesn’t have too much precense in these categories as HBO. I kind of agreed (until now) with the people saying BC is the strongest element of the series because he is clearly loved by the voters and it’s a great character but of course I would love the series itself has an impact.
Also as I said in the OP, I don’t think Kyle McLachlan is so brilliant in Twin Peaks as all the predictions suggests. He is cool and an icon but his performance doesn’t have any complexity AT ALL! I don’t think he will win but I doubt he will be ignored.
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Post by mllemass on Apr 13, 2018 4:17:16 GMT
That's true, we haven't seen Patrick Melrose yet and can only guess/hope that Benedict's performance will be good. But I was actually comparing Jesse Plemons to all the other actors in Black Mirror, and he wasn't a stand-out. And, I still say he wasn't as good as Benedict in TCIT.
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Post by sgev1977 on Apr 13, 2018 13:20:24 GMT
I don't think Black Mirror is about great performances or complex characters in general but I would said he was a stand out in this last season. IMHO, of course.
BC was sublime in TCIT but remember these things aren't necessarily about search for the actual best of the year. It's not sure PBS will subscribe it to begin and then, he would probably compete against himself, it's a very complex but humble production, it doesn't had a cultural impact as that episode of Black Mirror, etc. We don't know but I guess the prediction is based more in these kind of things than in he thinking one was much better than the other.
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Post by sgev1977 on Apr 30, 2018 23:22:08 GMT
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Post by dreamsincolour on May 1, 2018 22:41:10 GMT
We're obviously still a way away from the actual awards anyway, there's plenty of time for change, but I think the main pundits will be waiting on checking the public response to the series (just to make sure of it in view of the subject matter) before touting BC as in Emmy contention anyway.
The only thing I've seen that Feinberg has on that list is "The Assassination Of Gianni Versace", although I would particularly like to see the Picasso film. I was also very interested to see the excellent feedback there was to the new "Jesus Christ Superstar" version, which I would like to see. I read lots of reviews of it, so in view of those reviews, I'm a bit (extremely) surprised to see John Legend being touted there as award worthy, when from everything I saw he was regarded as adequate at best and very much the weakest link at worst. As I said I haven't seen it, but I read that he was the only disappointing element being neither up to the vocal demands of a difficult role nor up to the acting demands. Has anyone here actually seen it?
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Post by queenzod on May 1, 2018 23:53:46 GMT
I like John Legend just as much as the next person, but he doesn’t deserve a nom for JCSS. His voice (I thought) couldn’t really cut through like it’s supposed to, especially in the screaming bits. You’ve got to get that 70s rock and roll going. The person who slayed in that production was the guy who played Judas. Something something Dixon? I can’t remember his name but he was in Hamilton. Yes, I saw it! Here’s what I wrote about it. I love JCSS, saw it many moons ago. I still think Legend doesn’t deserve a nod for it, but there was a lot of screaming from the audience at the time.
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Post by roverpup on May 2, 2018 0:36:06 GMT
I just finished watching The Alienist and it was fantastic! Daniel B. was great in his role of the alienist. Luke Evan's was adequate in his sidekick role. I would nominate DB for best actor but not LE. I wouldn't watch JCSS even if I could (musicals on film - ugh! Keep them on the stage... it's where they shine!). And I won't be watching anything associated with Black Mirror again either (I know each programme is a separate entity unto itself but after watching that San Junipero last year I don't think I could take anything else from this series!).
I am also going to say that I think Showtime isn't an organization that is short on production representation at the Emmys. Haven't they had their fair share of shows nominated for the statues? I'll have to check to be sure, but I think I have seen a lot of their show come up for noms. Homeland for one. EDIT: I thought Big Little Lies was Showtime but I was mistaken - it's HBO! Oops!
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Post by sgev1977 on May 2, 2018 1:35:21 GMT
HBO dominates the miniseries/movies categories. I remember when BC was nominated for Parade’s End ALL the best actor nominees were for HBO productions. Showtime is historically their main competitor but I think it has suffered a little in recent times. It doesn’t mean they are producing bad stuff. Actually it seems to me they are much more edgy and artistic (Twin Peaks!!!) but HBO seems to be massive in comparison right now.
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Post by dreamsincolour on May 3, 2018 14:54:16 GMT
I like John Legend just as much as the next person, but he doesn’t deserve a nom for JCSS. His voice (I thought) couldn’t really cut through like it’s supposed to, especially in the screaming bits. You’ve got to get that 70s rock and roll going. The person who slayed in that production was the guy who played Judas. Something something Dixon? I can’t remember his name but he was in Hamilton. Yes, I saw it! Here’s what I wrote about it. I love JCSS, saw it many moons ago. I still think Legend doesn’t deserve a nod for it, but there was a lot of screaming from the audience at the time. Sorry Queenzod, didn't see your earlier comments. But, yes, that was what I read too re Judas. Not unusual, really, for JCS, to have Judas outshine Jesus. They're both hugely difficult roles, and supposed to be co-leads, but Judas usually seems to be seen as the easier one to shine in, especially as it's casting is generally more by ability than also about popular appeal. With John Legend touted as likely to be nominated, though, in place of Brandon Victor Dixon (looked him up), it does just make one wonder again what some of these pundits have actually seen. I just finished watching The Alienist and it was fantastic! Daniel B. was great in his role of the alienist. Luke Evan's was adequate in his sidekick role. I would nominate DB for best actor but not LE. I wouldn't watch JCSS even if I could (musicals on film - ugh! Keep them on the stage... it's where they shine!). I'd like to see "The Alienist"! I've long thought Daniel B is very good indeed and very watchable. While I do think Luke Evans is rather pleasant to look at, he's not close to the same calibre as an actor, so your comments there don't surprise me. I tend to agree with you re musicals shining so much better on the stage, but there have been a few exceptions where the films have been really good too. They do tend to be of yesteryear, though. Les Mis came closest to making the transition, for me, more recently, but still didn't quite. But I still always love to see "The Sound Of Music" whenever it's on and I count "Oliver" as one of the greatest films ever made! I don't think the later styles of musical are as suited to film.
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