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Post by sgev1977 on May 7, 2023 18:16:50 GMT
I just saw this.
I feel bad thinking that maybe I’m very desensitized after reading this tweet. I know what she is referring to. I accidentally saw an extremely horrible image from yesterday’s Dallas carnage when I stupidly searched for info about it (we were wondering if there were Mexicans victims because that’s a place with a lot of people not just from Mexico but from my city and people here also love to go to those kind of malls to buy things during the weekends as short travels). It was a shocking image and I was shocked by it and I condemn that something like that could happen to someone but then I just continued with my life (thinking how stupid are gun laws in the USA!)I wouldn’t show it to anyone I love but I don’t feel traumatized by it.
I don’t know during the so called war on drugs here you can’t avoid to watch and hear the most awful and disturbing things. And atrocities were so frequently posted on Internet but then I also remember that you also could see horrible photos on news magazine covers in the 1990s and 1980s. I remember a photo of an Iraqi father with a dead little girl in his arms on a political (not a cheap tabloid!) local magazine. And I remember a Time or Newsweek issue that I saw in a library with very explicit photos of human parts hanging from trees from the Lockerbie bombing. And of course, there were all the images of IRA, ETA, PLO, etc. terrorists attacks and Bosnia War, etc.
Establishment media used to be very explicit. Today anyone who want can search and found the most disturbing real life images but ironically you can also ignore such human cruelty exist. I’m not sure it was posible 30 or 40 years ago with traditional media. I, of course, don’t know what’s the best.
I feel for war photographers or people whose daily job is managing these kind of images. I’m sure it’s very traumatic for them.
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Post by queenzod on May 7, 2023 23:56:09 GMT
I accidentally saw that image, too, on Twitter while trying to find info about the shooting. It was shocking and horrible, made me feel queasy and sick after realizing that was REAL blood and death, not some Hollywood makeup job. It stuck with me for a while but I also moved on. I just can’t or won’t keep images like that in my mind very long. In general, though (at least here in the US), I think we are getting desensitized to horrible images of dead folks cut down by guns.
Like doctors, I’m sure people who work in such fields have ways of compartmentalizing what they see and experience to titrate the affect. You’d have to, wouldn’t you, or go mad or depressed? God bless them all, for taking on such horror and trying to help victims or get the word out to people about war atrocities and such. I couldn’t do it. I get upset seeing a dead squirrel in the road.
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Post by sgev1977 on May 8, 2023 0:15:25 GMT
I think that maybe confronting that reality could at least help to show people what guns do. It’s not a game. It’s something genuinely awful! On the other hand, I understand that those images must be something even more disturbing for the families.
I have always thought that images when denounce something (a war, a regime or a sick policy) must be widely seen. When they are senseless like an accident or when they are used as a weapon to terrorize people like what Mexican cartels used to do when they exposed the bodies of their victims then should be censored. But yeah, sometimes it could be a thin line.
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Post by sgev1977 on May 8, 2023 0:35:38 GMT
This quote from the NYT is truth, www.nytimes.com/2023/05/07/business/media/texas-shooting-video-twitter.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShareThere are other quotes in this article blaming Musk’s policies for the video/photos and I’m not her fan at all but c’mon! Graphic stuff is not something new on social media! At least, “foreign” graphic stuff! Also I stand by what I said above. Old mainstream media used to publish very heavy stuff. The article suggests graphic images were exceptional in the past but I was frequently shocked when I saw those old Time and Newspaper magazines at my University’s library. The one about the Lockerbie bomb/plane crash really stayed with me! The one I described about the Iraqi girl probably wasn’t never shown in the USA. It was an American bomb that broke her body. It was something more recent and again it was published on a serious local political magazine here. That is also an unforgettable image for me!
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Post by wallaby on May 8, 2023 0:50:16 GMT
I think a lot is going wrong regarding the publishing - and SHARING - of horrible gore images or videos. Nowadays, 12 year old children are sending each other this kind of stuff and some even seem to get a kick out of it.
I was surfing youtube recently for completely different stuff and a full-length video of a REAL autopsy was „offered“ to me! I shut the whole app down immediately for some time.
And that real stuff is far worse than watching the most brutal horror movies (of which there are A LOT in recent times). I totally agree, queenzod!
In what kind of time are we living in? I‘m about to turn 39 soon and already feel ancient concerning this. To this day I haven‘t even seen one horror movie and I‘m very sensitive when it comes to violence in films in general. But as I said, this is real life.
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Post by sgev1977 on May 8, 2023 1:13:34 GMT
An autopsy? Wow! It probably isn’t even legal to post them on YouTube but maybe you searched for some word (something medical? Maybe?) that told the algorithm that you would be interested on it. That’s how it works. It still wrong, of course! And you don’t have the blame! Autopsies are or should be considered a very “private” procedure.
But yeah, kids and adults who wants to watch disturbing stuff could easily find it on Internet. On the other hand, that tweet I initially posted suggests that there are people who very rarely stumbles with disturbing images. In this case, it should be over the place because at least two of us accidentally watched them but yeah, I searched for “Dallas mall” on Twitter because I wanted to read about the news so it wasn’t necessarily just me “stumbling” with them. It’s just that I wasn’t waiting for images. I just wanted to read some info.
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Post by wallaby on May 8, 2023 1:26:23 GMT
You’re right, sgev1977, it was the algorithm. But in a very strange way. I was (innocently) watching a beauty-makeover show which is also on TV here in Germany. In it they help people with botched cosmetic procedures to fix it and they NEVER show any unblurred surgeries or anything. Far from an autopsy, I think!
BTW, the doctor carrying out this autopsy is the most famous and renowned forensic medical examiner in Germany who works at the Charité clinic in Berlin. So it‘s even official.
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Post by queenzod on May 8, 2023 1:31:26 GMT
Remember that photo of that 2 year old Syrian refugee boy who drowned, I think, in the Mediterranean? That image, while of death, had no gore but it stabbed the heart of (nearly) everyone who saw it. Very powerful.
I think as modern societies (at least in the US), we’ve managed to separate ourselves from the reality of death for a long time. Most people die in hospital, they’re taken to the morgue, and get buried or burned. We’ve farmed out the practice of burying our dead to funeral homes, so people rarely see dead bodies anymore, or help prepare them for burial. We find it distasteful, abhorrent really, to think about death because it reminds us of our own demise and everyone in America wants to be young and beautiful forever, lol.
No one wants to see terrible images because it upsets their carefully defended sensibilities that everything is fine and their world will be perfect so long as they aren’t subject to upsetting things. It’s a denial of reality. That said, there is a way to cover sensitive images on Twitter with a screen so the person at least has the choice to look or not. Yes, sometimes it’s important to show those things but I think the viewer has a right to be warned in advance so they can steel their guts if they need to. I dunno. Complicated issue!
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Post by sgev1977 on May 8, 2023 1:44:55 GMT
I thought on that image, too! It was very difficult to watch it even if it wasn’t any visible blood or guts there. It also helped to make visible the Syrian cause. It become a political image and an example of why sometimes difficult images are necessary.
The article on the NYT mentions the famous disturbing image of the naked burned young Vietnamese girl crying while running from a napalm attack. That’s another horrible but important photo! Thankfully, she survived and she is still alive.
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Post by queenzod on Jul 19, 2023 2:42:57 GMT
For those interested in what may happen to Trump, it looks like the special counsel is very close to indicting him (formally announcing charges), for the January 6th insurrection. Part of the target letter he just received (lets him know they’re going to criminally charge him and invites him to talk to the grand jury), lists a few of the charges and this is one of them:
Deprivation of Rights under Color of Law. (Color of law applies to public servants and other officials criminally abusing their power.)
Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, ... shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.
He’s in deep, deep trouble. 😃👍🏼
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