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Post by queenzod on Jul 21, 2024 23:46:01 GMT
I haven’t dove (doven?) into Twitter comments yet b/c I’m still stunned. I wanted Biden to stick it out. I suppose this opens opportunities and eliminates some serious concerns about Biden’s continuing, but I hated to see the Dems bullying him into stepping down.
I think anyone saying they know how Clinton or Obama feels about this is in their own heads. They don’t know. 😂
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Post by ellie on Jul 22, 2024 0:33:43 GMT
I think Biden stepping down was the right decision. He simply is neither mentally or physically up to the rigours of the election campaign. Someone younger and fitter who can really take on Trump and show him up for the lying liar that he is will be the Democrats best chance of stopping the MAGA juggernaut. They would also highlight his age. Although Trump is only 3 years younger than him Biden recently managed to make him look young in comparison.
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Post by sgev1977 on Jul 22, 2024 1:43:11 GMT
Yes, it was the best. Apparently, he or the people around him were greatly worried about his legacy but he did more for his legacy than if he would had stayed in the race. He showed integrity and selflessness. Something unknown for Trump.
Democrats who wanted him to renounce weren’t bullying him, they were just telling him the truth. Trump entire race was designed around having a weak Biden as his rival. Just see their reactions: Mike Johnson threatening with a lawsuit against the Democrats if Joe Biden isn’t the candidate (that was before the official announcement. He later claimed he now also must renounce as President) and Trump himself just said he now refuses to debate whoever they chose in ABC, like he had agreed with Biden, that it’s Fox or nothing! JD Vance also refused to debate Harris after he was named as potential vice president for Trump.
We will see what happens, they just need to avoid strong divisions within the party and centering in the swing states. Like someone said, if it’s Harris, she should choose someone moderate as her parter because it’s not about winning California and/or social media but Michigan, Pennsylvania, Arizona, etc.
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Post by sgev1977 on Jul 22, 2024 2:00:32 GMT
I see a lot of Conservatives trying to paint Harris like a crazy woke/Marxist/Libtard, etc. so it’s ice to see this tweet,
According to a NYT podcast, she was pretty tough as fiscal but had to hide that side of herself when she entered to politics because the identity stuff was the way to go and some extremists in the party admired her only because she is black and female but would had denounced her if they really knew who she was (thankfully for her, they really ignore history and don’t understand the concept of research. It’s just about slogans and “narratives”) but like the meme of her dressed as a police woman to please Conservatives showed her, she now should demonstrate that she is actually tougher than old, weak and deluded Trump and that contrary to what Trump fanatics believe he is actually a criminal while she is the “cop”! lol
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Post by queenzod on Jul 22, 2024 3:19:31 GMT
I can see a lot of benefits to Biden not pursuing reelection. There’s this notion of passing the torch to a younger generation and we do need to get away from all these old white guys running the show. That’s a positive for her to engage with millions of younger voters. Also, Harris is super smart and very forceful. She’ll pound away on Trump and Vance effectively. I was hoping she’d pick Pete Buttigieg as her vp but a friend said “a black woman AND a gay man on the same ticket? Get out!” 😂 I keep forgetting he’s gay because it seems so irrelevant.
I am worried that she’s a black woman and all the pundits living in their happy bubbles inside the beltway don’t seem to have a clue how racist and misogynistic great swathes of this country are. So that’s a concern I hope she can overcome. Just as I hope she continues to pursue Biden’s economic and worker oriented agenda. He’s been amazingly progressive.
I’m curious. For those of you who live outside the US, how do you feel about this development?
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Post by onebluestocking on Jul 22, 2024 4:24:58 GMT
I am furious at Biden for running again after promising he would be a one-term "bridge" candidate. All of these months should have been spent spotlighting the new nominee/s, and now we're almost out of time. But, I don't think he could have won, and certainly hasn't the stamina for 4 more years. Apparently he tires and makes mistakes before 10 am and after 4 pm, and the Presidency isn't a 6 hour a day job.
I'm hoping that the racists and sexists (probably mostly the same people) will be outnumbered by people of color and supportive women. I never thought a black man named Barack Obama would win, and bam, 2 terms! She needs to come out swinging and show lots of confidence and strength in the administration's accomplishments.
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Post by roverpup on Jul 22, 2024 11:46:47 GMT
As someone from Canada I feel a huge amount of mixed emotions.
I like Kamala Harris (I personally think she could be a very good candidate) but right now I really just want someone who can beat Trump!
if she is capable of beating Trump, then I'm all for her! If someone else is - then, that's who I would like the Dems to go with.
It's a very scary time. As far as Canada's economy goes, even Biden was too much of a "trade protectionist" to benefit my country, but at least he wasn't an insane clown-ass narcissist like Trump trying to destroy the democratic proceess!
i keep watching the news, trying to evaluate the Trump cult's reaction to Biden's dropping out of the race. They seem flummoxed by this, so that's good! Hopefully it will take a bit of wind out of their sails and give the Dems some momentum !
What I actually hope will happen is Biden will resign entirely and let KH become POTUS. That would be best I think and move American politics into the 20th century (and yes, I meant 20th!).
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Post by onebluestocking on Jul 22, 2024 14:17:13 GMT
What I actually hope will happen is Biden will resign entirely and let KH become POTUS. I thought about this, because then people would be used to her in the role by election day. Unfortunately though, IIRC she had a lot of issues starting off with her previous campaign for President, and again with her staff when beginning office as VP, so I expect there would be a rocky start to her Presidency too. Best not to have that potentially bad first few months happen right before the election. I wonder if this is why Republicans are now asking "who is running the country?" and pressuring Biden to step down early. If they are pushing for it...we probably don't want it.
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Post by sgev1977 on Jul 22, 2024 14:52:56 GMT
She is far from a perfect candidate and that’s why people like Obama and Nancy Pelosi didn’t immediately supported her but she certainly it’s a better option now than Biden.
About the effects of the election in my country: well, my country is the punching ball in Trump’s entire political career! His running mate thinks it’s a good idea to send the American army to Mexico to fight cartels and we have a weak extremely deluded government (although the elected president had a few strong words for him this weekend when she WRONGLY thought he had said that the ex foreign minister has a 50 IQ! Trump was actually talking about Biden!) so…
Also yeah, the protectionism would be stronger and crazier!
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Post by queenzod on Jul 22, 2024 15:32:59 GMT
I don’t think Biden is as poorly as they made out. Yes, the debate was really terrible but since then he’s been very strong in various places where he speaks in public. He also has that stuttering problem and that together makes him appear weak. Yes, he’s old and getting frail, and it’s best that he decided not to run but there’s no reason for him to resign the presidency right now. He should take his absolute immunity out for a spin and see what he can do with it, lol. Maybe pardon his son?
It was great seeing everyone getting behind KH yesterday. She may have a rough time of it to begin with but she’s got a great team with her and she’s smart so she’ll learn quickly (if she wins). Better than Trump, at any rate, for everyone involved, imo.
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