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Barbie
Jul 23, 2023 18:20:42 GMT
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Post by roverpup on Jul 23, 2023 18:20:42 GMT
Ellie, do they sing in reaction to plot events (instead of using dialogue)?
That's my definition of a musical.
I mean like someone says "Well, I better get going." And instead of just walking out the door, they break out into a song about how they'll miss that person and how they'll be lonely without them.
I actually love movies about musicians or composers. Ones where there music is highlighted in the film. Like Judy, Coalminer's Daughter, I Walk the Line or Amadeus.
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Post by ellie on Jul 23, 2023 18:27:06 GMT
Ellie, do they sing in reaction to plot events (instead of using dialogue)? That's my definition of a musical. I mean like someone says "Well, I better get going." And instead of just walking out the door, they break out into a song about how they'll miss that person and how they'll be lonely without them. I actually love movies about musicians or composers. Ones where there music is highlighted in the film. Like Judy, Coalminer's Daughter, I Walk the Line or Amadeus. No. That’s not how the musical numbers occur. Like I say it’s a hard film to explain. It has lots of different things going on.
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Barbie
Jul 23, 2023 18:59:35 GMT
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Post by roverpup on Jul 23, 2023 18:59:35 GMT
I was curious so I looked up the soundtrack of the movie and I can say I don't recognise any of the artists singing on the soundtrack. But then I'm really stuck in the 1960s as far as music is concerned, so that's probably no surprise.
I also saw that there is supposedly "dancing" in the movie. That's another big "no-no" in a movie for me, unless it is a movie about a dancer (like a ballet dancer or some such performer).
I know I'm peculiar in my distaste but, I'm one of the few I suppose who really didn't like Dirty Dancing, Grease or Footloose.
Of course this only applies to film. I love musicals and singing and dancing on the live stage!
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Barbie
Jul 23, 2023 19:15:10 GMT
Post by ellie on Jul 23, 2023 19:15:10 GMT
There’s two dancing scenes in the movie. One is just random dancing at a party and the other is more choreographed. It all fits together in the narrative.
Will be interested in your view on Oppenheimer. I really didn’t think it worked. And Christopher Nolan REALLY should not ever try to film a sex scene ever again. It is not his strong point to put it mildly.
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Barbie
Jul 23, 2023 19:42:13 GMT
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Post by roverpup on Jul 23, 2023 19:42:13 GMT
My favourite Nolan movie is one of his early ones - Following. It was really quite good and really kept me on the edge of my seat.
I found it VERY intriguing.
Memento was pretty good too. I saw Inception and Dunkirk as well but wasn't too impressed with either. They weren't terrible but they didn't offer anything that sticks with you. Actually Dunkirk was the worse one of all that I saw.
Those are the only ones I can think of of his that I have watched.
I do like Cillian Murphy as an actor. Dan and I watched all of Peaky Blinders and he carried the lead character duties in fine fashion I thought. He has a commanding presence.
I'm not a big fan of RDJ though, so I'll try to ignore that bias and focus on the role he's doing.
The other big problem that I have to be aware of is, that Dan is incredibly well versed in the history of this era, so he might be overly critical of certain aspects, that may "poison the well" so to speak! LOL!
But at least the coming of this movie gives me something as a topic that I'm interested in to see at the movies! So that's good at least! I'm cautiously hopeful! The only other time we will have actually gone to the cinema this year was in February to see The Banshees of Inisherin.
We'll probably go next week sometime to see Oppenheimer. I'll let you know how our experience turns out!
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Barbie
Jul 23, 2023 21:11:30 GMT
Post by ellie on Jul 23, 2023 21:11:30 GMT
My favourite Nolan movie is one of his early ones - Following. It was really quite good and really kept me on the edge of my seat. I found it VERY intriguing. Memento was pretty good too. I saw Inception and Dunkirk as well but wasn't too impressed with either. They weren't terrible but they didn't offer anything that sticks with you. Actually Dunkirk was the worse one of all that I saw. Those are the only ones I can think of of his that I have watched. I do like Cillian Murphy as an actor. Dan and I watched all of Peaky Blinders and he carried the lead character duties in fine fashion I thought. He has a commanding presence. I'm not a big fan of RDJ though, so I'll try to ignore that bias and focus on the role he's doing. The other big problem that I have to be aware of is, that Dan is incredibly well versed in the history of this era, so he might be overly critical of certain aspects, that may "poison the well" so to speak! LOL! But at least the coming of this movie gives me something as a topic that I'm interested in to see at the movies! So that's good at least! I'm cautiously hopeful! The only other time we will have actually gone to the cinema this year was in February to see The Banshees of Inisherin. We'll probably go next week sometime to see Oppenheimer. I'll let you know how our experience turns out! Cillian Murphy is excellent in it. I think he will probably win an Oscar and deservedly so. He’s not the problem as I saw it. The problem is Nolan. I think the story would have benefited from a more straightforward telling than Nolan’s directoral style is capable of delivering. I ended up feeling that a low budget documentary I saw years ago was more informative and affected me more emotionally. But then I will admit I’m not a massive fan of Nolan’s style.
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Barbie
Jul 25, 2023 17:21:41 GMT
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Post by sgev1977 on Jul 25, 2023 17:21:41 GMT
They are rewriting history, doesn't? Or at least changing narratives and that's my issue with Barbie. The change of narratives.
I mean Downey Jr. career was saved by Marvel. Yes, he was rehabilitated and already doing some indie stuff but his big comeback was Iron Man. That film make him a big star and The Avengers was, like Barbie, an acclaimed blockbuster movie. Now, it's a repudied genre because they are killing cinema but at the time, they were welcomed.
Now supposedly Barbie is a different kind of blockbuster. Why? It's a lie that it's something original. You can even find a lot of Barbie movies before it and like superhero films, it has a huge capitalistic company behind it. And, like Star Wars and comic book adaptations, its massive popularity is in big part thanks to nostalgic adults.
Is it really good? Well, a lot of comic books movies are good and were also received with acclaim like Barbie, it is still a mere commercial product and a "theme park" flick as Scorsese referred to Marvel. Why it's considered something different by some critics? It isn't changing the game at all or saving cinema. It's the same stuff. Maybe the only difference is that this time is for girls or, more exactly, for adult women.
Oppenheimer is slightly different. A bio which supposedly is the worst thing ever, according to Film Twitter but also it's Chris Nolan so it's great! And that's the issue. It's a Nolan film so it's also a blockbuster. It's not a "theme park" kind of movie but thanks in big part to his comic book past, he is a beloved filmmaker who makes big popular "good" films for the masses. Like Tarantino, if you want! Someone loved by general audiences who always make hit flicks so even if he makes a bio, it is released at blockbuster season. He doesn't need festivals nor awards to make money at the box office! So again, why is him and Barbie success considered something different and revolutionary that changes everything in Hollywood? There's anything new about their success!
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Post by ellie on Jul 26, 2023 17:07:49 GMT
I definitely don’t think Barbie is “game changing”. But it is great fun with a few serious things to say. No more or no less. Likewise Oppenheimer is not a game changer. But it is a good and well acted film. In my personal opinion it is somewhat undermined by some of Nolans directorial decisions. But, whatever, why do films need to be game changers? Why can’t they just be good movies?
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Post by sgev1977 on Jul 26, 2023 17:42:39 GMT
Agreed. I'm just talking about the Twitter discourse. Somehow these two movies are saving cinema from streaming and superhero films. I think they are also the kind of movies that are successful nowadays. They aren't different: one based on a nostalgic massive product and the other directed by a popular filmmaker who has a massive fanbase thanks to his comic book past!
Just yesterday I saw a Tweet saying how Oppenheimer show that people are hungry for non-comic book serious bios but they forgot to mention that Nolan is normally a pretty popular filmmaker who happens to have a lot of comic book fans followers. I mean his Dunkirk was also massive! There's nothing new in him doing great at the box office!
Then someone commented that Oppenheimer was a good film but that most bios were bad like Being Ricardos. The thing is that Being Ricardo smashing the box office would had been game changing! Especially, because it's not a great film! That really would had shown that audiences are changing habits and that the kind of movies that nowadays are only watched on streaming are returning to the big screen. And yeah, also opening the door for better and more risky offers. But Barbie and Oppenheimer, no matter how good they are, are still the same.
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Post by ellie on Jul 27, 2023 11:40:05 GMT
I wasn’t getting at you Sgev. I know you were talking about Twitter. I was just saying why on there and elsewhere on social media is everything blown out of proportion.
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