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Post by sgev1977 on Apr 3, 2024 21:59:00 GMT
I've just been on AW and someone opened some days ago a thread with the news about The Roses. Half or more of the comments are nasty, that is totally unnecessary, that the cast and director are a downgrade, the difference of ages and being Colman older than BC, that how they dare to remake a perfect movie from Danny DeVito and other things. The backlash was something predictable because it’s a remake. And AW and other award pundits sites are full of idiots so it’s not a surprise! But yeah, the negativity is sad because it sometimes feels like people made their mind even before watching the thing. It’s specially worrying when you see professional critics attacking a project that hasn’t even made! They maybe are right but it’s not a professional opinion and you just lose confidence on them. And I think that hasn’t happened with this project! I mean I knew about The Night of the Hunter remake because it was professional critics who were negatively talking about it. I would be more worried if that was the case with this one. But I imagine professional critics know that the remaking of comedies is actually not something new in Hollywood (there were also a lot of fuss about Wonka last year by randoms but it was well reviewed and it was a hit), and again, it seems this will be something different to the original. Now if they would had cast two American sexy movie stars that were copies of the original cast with Danny DeVito returning in the lawyer role then that would be a signal that they were trying to do the same and not a very British version.
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Post by MagdaFR on Apr 3, 2024 22:19:35 GMT
The thing is that there, many, don't like BC. The threads of movies or series where BC acts are mostly ignored. Even The Power of the Dog one was when it was clearly an awards contender. Same happened with Henry Sugar. I find it strange that most of the personal mentions were about Olivia. Apparently she can't compete withh Turner in that role.
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Post by sgev1977 on Apr 3, 2024 22:21:12 GMT
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Post by sgev1977 on Apr 3, 2024 22:31:08 GMT
The thing is that there, many, don't like BC. The threads of movies or series where BC acts are mostly ignored. Even The Power of the Dog one was when it was clearly an awards contender. I find it strange that most of the personal mentions were about Olivia. Apparently she can't compete withh Turner in that role. They are pathetic but remember they hate those who they think are a threat to their faves and, of course, they love to attack women! Award pundits aren’t even movie fans, they are Oscar ceremony fans. They are there for the dresses not for the movies and they are aggressively competitive because they are about bets so, of course, they are misogynists who have a favorite classical pretty actress who looks stunning in formal dress! Colman is a more normal looking woman who, horror of horrors, “steals” awards from their princesses!
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Post by MagdaFR on Apr 3, 2024 22:45:32 GMT
This is from the writer’s official Twitter account and it’s from 2020, I have to say that this "to help flatten the curve on divorce" is the least interesting part of the movie and I hope is a joke. Why would staying in a dysfunctional marriage be better than having a healthy divorce? I hope they change or drop all the lawyer part. Also, the family agreeing with remakes, on stage or film, isn't that good an argument to try to convince people who are against the remake because the family is obviously being paid.
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Post by sgev1977 on Apr 3, 2024 23:31:05 GMT
Of course they are paid! They own the rights! lol So even if they weren’t executive producing it, they should had “authorized” the project.
According to the piece SunnyMarch is involved since 2017 but also that Searchlight greenlighted it as a part of a deal with the brothers,
I imagine they probably were in contact with the company before because the original film was made by 20th Century Fox but I wonder if BC searched the role or if the brothers contacted him first.
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Post by MagdaFR on Apr 3, 2024 23:53:23 GMT
I read the plot of the movie and watch a video with some scenes but it really didn't make any impression on me because I don't remember any details. I also read a summary and review of the sequel, Children of The Roses, which was not well received because it was mostly the same plot than The War of The Roses and was never filmed. www.publishersweekly.com/9781402201974
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Post by sgev1977 on Apr 4, 2024 2:22:56 GMT
I also don’t remember too much! And if you see that Campa guy video, he also said that he was pretty young when the movie was a thing (and I guess also don’t remember too much!). And we aren’t young anymore! It was a big hit but its main target was middled aged adults and it’s not one of those movies that it’s considered a classic for young cinephiles to hunt for a DVD to watch. We will see but I really think that there aren’t actually too many passionated fans out there! lol Apart of some also probably not too THAT young gay fans of Katheen Turner who probably appreciated her much more than the other kids at the time, of course!
Danny DeVito was famous for his black sense of humor and I remember fondly his movies as very funny but that doesn’t mean I remember every detail on them or that I think they are untouchable for me. Probably some people also vaguely remember them and really like him but I don’t think too many of them watch them repeatedly or are really so obsessed with them like some comments suggested; and probably they haven’t even watched them in ages! Maybe Matilda which is slightly less old and it’s for kids, a lot of people probably rewatch it with their kids and it also has a recent remake!
About the sequel, it seems the Trust isn’t just about selling the rights to others but also for them acting as producers of their father’s works. I never thought saying they agreed to do the movie is a way of convince doubters (they already made their mind and there isn’t a film yet so there isn’t a proof that they are wrong or right. That’s why they are, anyway, wrong… if it makes sense! 😉). They probably are actively trying to make something with that. But there are a few other projects mentioned on their father’s official site and they have that contract with Searchlight for two years. It was obvious, that his most famous book would be the first one to adapt.
EDITED My only doubt about the book is if they are really written like in the DeVito’s adaptation. Is she also a sex bomb in it? And I agreed that I hope they don’t include the moralistic mention that divorce is intrinsically evil. I doubt it. I can imagine that book and movie were a reflection of what was happening in society at the time.
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Post by sgev1977 on Apr 4, 2024 3:02:57 GMT
I am reading comments about the book on Amazon and casually the first two kinda comment on the morality of the movie (divorce is evil!) and they are saying the book isn’t exactly about it but about materialism and the yuppi generation,. They think that wasn’t portrayed in the movie
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Post by queenzod on Apr 4, 2024 3:17:13 GMT
The Roses first meet at an auction and they start their battle by trying to out bid each other for a little carved Asian ivory piece which eventually gets destroyed during their last battle. So the very beginning of their relationship is rooted in material stuff. When I first saw the film 35 years ago (😳) it was clear that these were two self centered, shallow, immature people who valued themselves by their belongings, so of course their divorce was going to be ugly because they were ugly. It wasn’t that divorce was intrinsically bad. Those reviews on the book are spot on. Maybe the movie didn’t focus on that part enough, or maybe because it seemed natural to up and coming yuppies that as a couple progresses through life they start collecting more and more (and better), stuff, and people sort of naturally define themselves by that.
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