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Post by sgev1977 on Sept 4, 2017 0:27:15 GMT
Yes, but Gibson didn't have problems for getting Oscar nominations but in general to do movies even when he was very popular as director at the time (Passion of the Christ and Apocalyptico were very solid hits). I don't see Oldman having problems to be hired and the "scandal" seems in general forgotten. It doesn't mean it won't be revived soon, of course! but the point is it doesn't seem he lost job opportunities for defending them.
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Post by coolclearwaters on Sept 4, 2017 0:34:23 GMT
It may have no effect on the Oscars at all. On the other hand, some people may just decide to vote for someone else.
As far as Gibson goes, his worst remarks were made around 2010 and he has worked very little as an actor since then. Things are beginning to pick up, but it has taken a while. The Passion of the Christ was largely self-financed and he directed it before his most incendiary remarks. I think the same is true for Apocalypto.
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Post by sgev1977 on Sept 4, 2017 0:45:28 GMT
His arrest was in 2006. He was accused of being anti semit before, especially since The Passion of Christ. The "event" kind of confirm it. The same year, 2006, Apocalyptico was released so he was a successful director when that happened and the logic says that without it he would quickly had found another project but it didn't happened until last year. Ten years after the arrest. He did a few low budget movies as an actor. The most prominent was the one director by his friend, who also kind of defended him, Jodie Foster of it didn't happened a lot with his career. variety.com/2016/film/news/mel-gibson-interview-anti-semitic-2006-arrest-podcast-1201902552/
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Post by coolclearwaters on Sept 4, 2017 1:00:54 GMT
Benedict and other actors work with absolutely reprehensible people all the time. Are you thinking in Weinstein, right?! He is the first name I though after reading your post! According to very strong rumors he is indeed reprehensible but interesting enough he is also very liberal! Obviously political affiliations has nothing to do with good character! Weinstein is just one in a very, very long list. It has nothing to do with politics, just all kinds of horrible, and possibly criminal, behaviors that I like to think would not be tolerated in most industries.
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Post by sgev1977 on Sept 4, 2017 1:35:05 GMT
Sadly they are and I think in most industries, not just Hollywood. It's about power. The ugliest part in Hollywood is the fan admiration kind of helps them. I think that's one reason why family oriented figures like Bill Cosby and Jimmy Savile got away for a long time with horrible disgusting crimes.
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Post by roverpup on Sept 4, 2017 4:29:34 GMT
Are you thinking in Weinstein, right?! He is the first name I though after reading your post! According to very strong rumors he is indeed reprehensible but interesting enough he is also very liberal! Obviously political affiliations has nothing to do with good character! Weinstein is just one in a very, very long list. It has nothing to do with politics, just all kinds of horrible, and possibly criminal, behaviors that I like to think would not be tolerated in most industries. So can you please name others in that very, very long list of reprehensible people that Benedict has worked with and not just make a blanket statement like that, because this thread is beginning to sound like Your Fave Is Problematic? And personally I think that is kind of unjust to all the people with whom BC has been professionally associated with over the years. While I think that BC might have the occasional connection with some "troublesome" people, I really don't think the list for him would be that long. I would like to imagine that he works with mainly people of good character and who, while not being perfect in any regard, aren't disgustingly criminal or amoral.
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Post by coolclearwaters on Sept 4, 2017 5:12:27 GMT
Maybe I didn't phrase it well. I didn't mean to suggest that Benedict works with horrible people more than any other actor does - just that you hear about nightmarish people in that industry so often that any actor or other professional in that field is going to run into it. This was intended as a statement about the industry in general and no, I'm not going to name names. There have been numerous published reports but as I don't have personal knowledge, I'm not going to repeat them. If you want to know, you can research it yourself.
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Post by coolclearwaters on Sept 4, 2017 5:29:56 GMT
I actually meant to respond to this comment
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Post by kreizimam on Sept 4, 2017 11:35:53 GMT
Well according to some BC is one of those "reprehensibles". Mocking children with autism. Doesn't use the right gender pronoun. Not to mention the public lies about his non existant children, aiding and abetting the criminal ring of drug and human trafficking (sorry, had to go there lololol)
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Post by roverpup on Sept 4, 2017 13:38:14 GMT
Well according to some BC is one of those "reprehensibles". Mocking children with autism. Doesn't use the right gender pronoun. Not to mention the public lies about his non existant children, aiding and abetting the criminal ring of drug and human trafficking (sorry, had to go there lololol) That was kind of my point and why blanket statements about people who work with BC being corrupt or reprehensible is a broad paint brush with which to smear all sorts of people unfairly. Specific criminal behaviour aside, the definition of reprehensible is too easily applied by all sorts who have SJW axes to grind and that's where it moves into YFIP territory (like the points you have mentioned) and I am really uncomfortable with that. I don't know any of these people personally but from what I have read (and that's the best I can do since I don't know any of these people personally) I don't see any evidence of truly horrible behaviour from the likes of the people who BC has worked with at Bad Robot (JJ Abrams et al), Marvel (Kevin Feige, Scott Derrickson & co.), nor with the BBC through Hartwood (Moffat, Gatiss, Virtue etc) or PBS or Playtone, HBO, StudioCanal, Peter Jackson, Spielberg, Neal Street Productions... etc. I think it seems like he has found a lot of fairly honourable people to work with over his career IMO. I'm not naive enough to think that everything is roses and sweetness in the movie business, but I also refuse to fall into a frame of mind that thinks that it is a cesspool of iniquity. Like every aspect of life there are generous, kind, honest people and there are the other ones who are cutthroat, greedy and dishonorable. I really don't see the movie business as being that different from any other walk of life. But then maybe I am just an optimist! :-))
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