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Post by queenzod on Sept 7, 2017 19:22:58 GMT
Chaplin was notorious for sleeping with 13 year old girls.
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Post by mllemass on Sept 7, 2017 22:49:22 GMT
I am in no way defending old guys molesting children, but some appalling behaviours were considered acceptable in the olden days. I remember being at someone's house when I was little and they were celebrating an engagement. A 14-year-old girl - a relative of my aunt - was engaged to be married to an old man. Well, he looked old to me because he had grey in his hair, but he was probably in his 30's. He had met her the year before, when she was 13 and he had been her teacher! They're still married today.
My own cousin was pursued by her eighth-grade teacher, which she found very flattering at the time. But she turned him down because she wanted to go to high school.
When I was in elementary school, a young male teacher did nothing to hide how much he liked one of my friends. She found the attention creepy, of course. He then got a job teaching at a high school, and a few years later married one of his students. She was 16 at the time- the same age as my friend and me. I've heard that they're still married, too.
What kind of crazy world were we living in?
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Post by MagdaFR on Sept 7, 2017 22:58:34 GMT
Chaplin seduced teenagers.
His first wife, Mildred Harris, was 16 when she met Chaplin and they married because they thought she was pregnant. He was 29.
His second wife was 16 while he was 35. Again she was pregnant. He met her when she was younger.
He married Oona when she was 18 having met her when she was 17. He was 54.
Except for Paulette Goddard who was 22 but she told him she was 17.
He was awful with women.
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Post by queenzod on Sept 7, 2017 22:58:50 GMT
I hate to break it to you, but that behavior still continues. Some men are attracted to prepubescent girls, even now.
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Post by roverpup on Sept 7, 2017 23:40:49 GMT
I refuse to judge people based on any "he said, she said" articles or gossip rags. As far as speculation goes there is only one marriage that anyone can know the truth about and even then they only know, at the most, 50% of the truth.
Regardless of what has been conjectured in the media about Woody Allen's relationships, he has never been charged with any crime let alone been convicted and to this day he and Soon-Yi Previn (who is now almost a 47 year old woman) both remain, after 20 years, a married couple.
:-))
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Post by sgev1977 on Sept 8, 2017 0:22:56 GMT
Judging people in the past is a very complex issue. It was considered normal at the time that mature men married young women. I don't doubt there were decent husbands who treated their younger wives with respect but the problem was the imbalance of power which let women very vulnerable especially with much more experienced men.
Chaplin marrying a lot of younger women didn't sound very decent and it's comprehensive why people criticize him. On the other hand, he was very decent in other aspects: he stood against Hitler when it wasn't considered a politically correct move in some quarters. Actually I think everyone should watch The Great Dictator nowadays and it would be a shame people don't because he was a a bastard in a different facet of his life.
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Post by MagdaFR on Sept 8, 2017 0:32:28 GMT
I refuse to judge people based on any "he said, she said" articles or gossip rags. As far as speculation goes there is only one marriage that anyone can know the truth about and even then they only know, at the most, 50% of the truth. I don't know to whom you are referring. There are a lot of evidence, just marrying the pregnant girls is one, of what Chaplin did. Also, being mid fifties and marrying a 18 years old who he started dating when she was 17 is very creepy as it is Woody Allen's marrying his almost step daughter. The same kind of creepyness. Soon-Yi may be 47 now but Allen is 82. Did you read what he said two years ago about their relationship? It is not said or invented by gossip blogs, it was said on an interview with the Hollywood Reporter. That's his answers to the question "How has your wife, Soon-Yi, changed you?" First, he didn't rescue Soon-Yi at all. It was Mia Farrow and Previn who adopted her. Second, one of his argument he used to justify his relationship with Soon-Yi wasn't creepy considering she was his daughter was exactly that he really hadn't a relationship with her of that kind. Now he is saying he was her saviour? Totally creep talking about his contributions to her life. Soon-Yi may still have PSTD for what happened to her as a little girl (half kidding). You don't know what happens in any marriage except yours. That is a very flawed argument. Perhaps you were saying this and I misunderstood. Leaving this here.  Also, I prefered to stand with a (possible) victim than with his/her (possible) abuser, specially if the victim is a child. |
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Post by onebluestocking on Sept 8, 2017 5:18:18 GMT
I can totally see why people boycott someone's work based on a scandalous personal life, I just don't do that. Movie industry people are unusual in that we know all kinds of personal things about them, but those issues could be true of the guy who works on your car, does your taxes, or makes your sandwiches at the drive-thru. We don't hold their personal lives against them because we don't know them. I don't see any more reason to refuse to see a Woody Allen film, than I would to investigate the home lives of anyone else receiving my business. Now a personal relationship is another story, I wouldn't choose to hang out with him!
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Post by mllemass on Sept 8, 2017 6:36:09 GMT
I boycott movies for lots of petty reasons, so I would also do it for scandalous behaviour - although I can't think of anyone right now. You're right that we don't know the background of other people we deal with. But if I did and it bothered me, I would definitely boycott that business. It's my money and I can decide that I don't want certain people to have it!
Here's an example: Many years ago, Joan Rivers had a daytime talk show, and she had designer Ralph Lauren as a guest one day. He was there to promote his latest line of bathing suits. As the models came out wearing the bathing suits, Joan asked him what size they went to. "Size 8", he replied. She then asked about women who wore bigger sizes, and he said that women shouldn't be bigger than a size 8. I swore that I would never, ever purchase anything with his name on it - not even items that I love, like watches, perfume or purses. I know that my money wouldn't make or break him, but it feels good not giving it to such a jerk.
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Post by queenzod on Sept 8, 2017 8:49:15 GMT
I have a hard time with two actors. One is Mel Gibson, which is too bad because he's a really good actor and I loved him in my youth when he was all hot and angsty. But I can't get over his anti-semitism. The other one is Arnold Schwarzenegger. I have an issue with men who cheat. I know they have a hard time controlling it, but really? We are supposedly higher animals, after all.
And then I remember that I have behaviors I can't control, too, and try to cut them a break. I dunno. It's a complicated issue. Most of the time I can separate the artist from the human, but sometimes it's hard.
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