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Post by sgev1977 on Jan 22, 2018 2:20:56 GMT
Thinking a little more about Patrick Melrose, I don’t think Showtime has had recently a “phenomenon” series as HBO with BLL or Game of Thrones, etc. Guerrilla, also produced with Sky and starred by Idris Elba, was acclaimed by critics but is not nominated to anything and even when new Twin Peaks was declared the best movie 2017 by Cahiers du Cinema and did well in a lot of film critics’ best of the year, it didn’t had any impact with awards voters! Kyle Maclachlan was nominated for a GG!
William H. Macy just won for Shameless but that’s a long running series.
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Post by coolclearwaters on Jan 22, 2018 2:46:34 GMT
I think Showtime has had some series that have won awards: Nurse Jackie, the Affair, and Masters of Sex. I have read some actors talking about why their shows were not nominated and they said that the networks or production companies had to get involved for that to happen.
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Post by sgev1977 on Jan 22, 2018 3:01:06 GMT
Awards are a very complex systems and of course it’s not enough to be good. Sometimes it’s not even a requirement! We will see what happens next year. I just want it to be good! The theme is very difficult and it seems they were daring enough to go for the comedy/darkness mix of the books. It would be great if it works on screen. The trailers were promising and very well received but I doubt most people understood the nature of the abuse he received (even when it was suggested there) and most outlets are describing the character as alcoholic when after read the books we mainly see him as a crazy junkie. So hardest stuff it’s not completely uncovered yet!
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Post by coolclearwaters on Jan 22, 2018 3:09:17 GMT
Sexual abuse and incest are actually very common subjects on U.S. television - almost to the point of cliche. Law & Order: Special Victim’s Unit has been running for almost 20 years and that is it’s sole topic. I’m optimistic that the quality of Patrick Melrose will be much higher. The dark humor seen in the books and trailer is different, but we’ll see if people respond.
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Post by queenzod on Jan 22, 2018 5:11:48 GMT
I don’t see how you could watch that trailer and NOT know what happened to little Patrick. It screamed ‘obvious!’ to me. But then again, there are lots of people who watch things and don’t understand the references or implications. I’m sure that will happen with PM.
For example, has anyone who’s seen Parades End think that Sylvia was being abused and tortured by Chrissy? I’ve been in conversations with folks who think that Chrissy was a no good, violent dog and that Sylvia was a beacon of virtue.
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Post by coolclearwaters on Jan 22, 2018 6:49:55 GMT
Wow! That’s a truly bizarre interpretation of Parade’s End.
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Post by queenzod on Jan 22, 2018 6:57:35 GMT
I mean, I get that Chrissy was irritating and (for Sylvia) boring, and yes, his rigidity made me want to scream at times, but she handled him completely wrong. He would have been putty in her hands if she hadn’t been a haranguing, self absorbed narcissist.
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Post by coolclearwaters on Jan 22, 2018 7:15:53 GMT
She was manipulative, sadistic, vindictive, and narcissistic. Those are the nicest things I can say about her. She was willing to destroy any one in her path, including her husband, for no real reason. Where do they get the idea that Chrissy was violent? There was never any suggestion of that at all.
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Post by queenzod on Jan 22, 2018 10:52:00 GMT
I actually think she was just projecting her own experience onto their marriage.
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Post by sgev1977 on Jan 22, 2018 11:39:33 GMT
Sexual abuse and incest are actually very common subjects on U.S. television - almost to the point of cliche. Law & Order: Special Victim’s Unit has been running for almost 20 years and that is it’s sole topic. I’m optimistic that the quality of Patrick Melrose will be much higher. The dark humor seen in the books and trailer is different, but we’ll see if people respond. Yes, the difficult part to me is that it’s a comedy. The themes are common in dramatic stuff. For example, Running with Scissors which was also a comedy that talked about a dysfunctional family, suicide and at the center it had an underage boy in a romantic relationship with an adult man failed miserably on screen. Or more recently The Most Hated Woman in America which was presented at the beginning as a nice dramedy about this rebellious woman jus to ended in the most grisly way. The tone is very difficult to achieve. I see had positive that Michael Jackson, the producer, and BC said that was the thing they were more happy about the adaptation. Who thinks Sylvia was a virtuous woman? Are you sure is not this guy?
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