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Post by mllemass on Jul 23, 2018 11:13:36 GMT
The thing with Roseanne, though, is that it’s hard to tell if that’s her or a character. Her comedy has always been like that, so why was this suddenly news to ABC/Disney? They proudly announced that they had a Trump supporter playing a Trump supporter on the show. But then they changed their tune, “Uh, we didn’t want her to be THAT realistic!” Why did they even hire her back to start with? Everyone knew how unstable she can be.
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Post by sgev1977 on Jul 23, 2018 13:41:25 GMT
Yep, she obviously has mental helth problems. I have never seen any of her shows or even seen her in anything but somehow I knew she has always talked about having mental helth issues. It was a big topic in the 90's. She was involved in a lot of controversies then although I think she was liberal then, too. Wasn't she involved with The Green Party?
Mental illness doesn't justify her politics, of course, and that tweet was aberrant but it's not true that it was an excuse she suddenly fabricated after getting in troubles. Actually, she has always been in trubles for saying or doing weird things. She once accused her both parents of rape and later retracted and blamed her mental helth issues. I read there is a recent video of she defending herself in which she clearly is behaving in a very disturbing way. I don't have any desire of watching that!
She shouldn't be on Twitter and Disney shouldn't had used soemone like her for doing a political comedy! Nor in a very divided country with that infamous guy as president! It's scary how popular that show was and thinking there is a lot of fans out there seeing her as a somekind of martyr. I don't doubt this incident affected their reaction to James Gunn but everything it's wrong since when they decided to made a show with an unstable woman about a Trump voter!
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Post by onebluestocking on Jul 23, 2018 15:09:01 GMT
My point was more that the church wouldn't hire you to begin with, if they needed a secretary and your job experience was 1. as a dancer, not a secretary, and 2. in an industry offensive to them and opposite what they stand for. That's why I'm surprised that Disney hired a guy with a background of pedophile jokes. Of course, years back people weren't as sensitive, and times (and what is acceptable) change. But anyway, the issue is that if you cause problems or controversy for your employer, they may decide to fire you. So, best not to take that pedophile joke-writing job, unless you want to stay with shock humor-type studios who don't mind. Or if you choose to do so, don't be surprised if the future company decides it's not worth the hassle.
Again, I'm sure JG will be back down the road, when people have forgotten about this.
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Post by onebluestocking on Jul 23, 2018 15:18:15 GMT
It wasn't! There have been issues with Roseanne for decades! They ignored them, because controversies can interest viewers who want to see what she will do next. Also, her original show was great in the beginning, so there was potential there.
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Post by sgev1977 on Jul 23, 2018 16:20:51 GMT
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Post by mllemass on Jul 23, 2018 20:03:51 GMT
I think that article is ridiculous, and now I question what is going on in the head of the writer, Mark Harris. It can be summed up by: Roseanne = evil racist, James Gunn = misunderstood good guy. Those pedophile jokes are actually “pedophile” jokes, according to him - implying that they’re not THAT bad, and only an idiot would take them seriously. And poor, poor James Gunn is paying the price for Roseanne’s bad behaviour. His career is ruined, the Guardians of the Galaxy franchise is ruined, the film industry is ruined, moviegoers will have to sit in empty theatres with nothing to watch. He says in the article that Disney acted in a panic, but I hear a lot of panic in that article (“Oh no! They might be coming for me next!”)
I know I keep going on about this, but shouldn’t people have to do something to make up for bad behaviour, besides apologizing and saying that they’ve changed? I believe his jokes do a lot of damage - just think of the sick minds out there who enjoyed everything he tweeted! Disney probably made him a millionaire, so he should be grateful for that opportunity and move on. Surely there are talented, creative non-pedophiles out there who can use a nice job at Disney!
For me, it comes down to this: I would have been fired from my job for tweeting the things he tweeted. Disney did the right thing.
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Post by sgev1977 on Jul 23, 2018 21:19:35 GMT
I agreed with him in that it's very easy to discern who is joking and who is being sincere. That's all! Not all comedy is for everyone and that's ok. He worked for an over the top company and had an over the top personality on line then he got a new job with a family oriented company and behaved accordingly. He publicly changed. There's not a proof of any illegal activity or a tangible damage, just stupid jokes not very different to the ones by adult cartoons, blue comedians and the ones included in the movies he was working at the time.
I also think Rosanne Barr is ill and it was dumb to think they could control her. They knew who she was, they hired her and she failed them. Good or bad there was some logic in her firing. She didn't behaved accordingly to her new company parameters MEANWHILE working for them. Sadly, the event created an atmosphere in which a witch hunt by those extremists was possible and she become a martyr for the extreme right. Now Disney is accommodating to a group of conspiracy theory nuts.
I understand why Disney wouldn't want to work with someone like him but again, they knew who he was when they hired him in the same way they knew who Barr was. Also there's a lot of people who did or does extreme comedy and worked or is working for Disney: beloved icons Robin Williams (Aladdin) and Carrie Fisher (Star Wars) were in the long list of people in The Aristocrats; Sarah Silverman does the voice of the main female character in Wreck-It Ralph and next Ralph Breaks the Internet; Patton Oswolt is Remy in Ratatouille! And Bob Saget who believe me is absolutely infamous for his sense of humor! What will happen next? Will Disney dismiss them when the extreme right attack them! They are attacking Silverman and Patton Oswalt right now!
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Post by mllemass on Jul 23, 2018 22:13:18 GMT
There is a petition going for Disney to hire him back. That’s a bit weird, isn’t it? They criticize Disney for caving in to mob pressure, and now they form another mob to pressure Disney into taking him back. So it’s ok to do that as long as it’s for something you agree with.
A lot of the GOTG cast has come out in support of him. I think they should be very careful, but then what do I know? I have yet to read anything about how he has “changed”, other than no longer writing disgusting tweets. I still wonder why he waited until those tweets were exposed a few days ago to delete them.
And the thought did cross my mind that Benedict might express his support, too. I hope not!
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Post by sgev1977 on Jul 23, 2018 22:33:50 GMT
I think they are being very careful. I don't think they are offering any support at all. Just commenting in a very discreet way without actually saying anything. I think the only one supporting him is Dave Bautista. Still, people are attacking all of them for "supporting" him. That's the outrage culture we are living!
BC doesn't have to do interviews until the end of the year. Probably this thing will be forgotten by then. I just hope it doesn't have consequences of other type like make even more powerful to the crazies who scream louder on Internet.
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Post by ellie on Jul 23, 2018 23:42:56 GMT
Surely there are talented, creative non-pedophiles out there who can use a nice job at Disney! To be fair Milemass there is no evidence that Gunn is a pedophile. His jokes not to everyone’s liking, including mine. But I look back at the likes of Lenny Bruce and George Carlin who were reviled by media and “the moral majority” but who are now seen as people who helped highlight issues and facilitate change. So I wonder if future generations will see Gunn’s humour as boundry breaking by applying ridicule to taboo subjects. I honestly don’t know but I remain uncomfortable with social media vigilantes dictating who should be fired. |
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