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Post by ellie on Jul 22, 2018 22:54:05 GMT
I’m going to assume that Disney has conducted their own investigation. Why wouldn’t they? I agree that employees have rights, but that’s only as long as they’re employees. They don’t have any rights once they’re fired. I learned a lot about this a few years ago in the job I had at the time. I know things work differently in different parts of the world, but here, unless you’re in a union, you can be fired without notice and for any reason. If your employer has a reason (just cause) for firing you, they can just let you go. But if there is no reason (e.g. they just don’t like you), they have to give you severance pay. The longer you’ve worked there, the more they have to pay you to get rid of you. If you’re in a union, there are specific procedures to follow before you can be fired, and it’s a lot harder. Years ago, the mayor of the city I live in was caught embezzling from the city. He was fired. He sued the city because he had a gambling problem and his employer (the city) was obligated to help him with his gambling addiction illness. He then sued the casino where he did his gambling and blamed them for not stopping him from betting so much money. Another city employee, the head of a department, was also caught embezzling from the city and was fired. She also sued because of her shopping addiction illness. This is the world we’re living in now! I don’t believe in making assumptions. That is the curse of social media - people making judgements based on assumptions rather than full knowledge of the facts. Plus you said in your previous post that Disney had no need to conduct an investigation. So why do you now assume that they did?
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Post by mllemass on Jul 22, 2018 23:46:50 GMT
I was just using the wording from the previous post. What I meant was I don’t think a gigantic corporation like Disney would make a decision to fire someone based on some vengeful tweeters. They must have read JG’s awful tweets and decided he didn’t fit their family-oriented business. I guess “investigation” is too strong a word for simply reading those tweets for themselves.
People are assuming that Disney made a rash decision without knowing the facts, and I’m suggesting that they did know the facts. My car was vandalized (egged) in the parking lot at work years ago, and whoever did it left behind a note about posting the video on YouTube (apparently, that’s a thing). After we called the police, my boss had the IT department search the internet for the video. I’m pretty sure that Disney’s IT department is better than ours was!
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Post by ellie on Jul 22, 2018 23:58:18 GMT
I was just using the wording from the previous post. What I meant was I don’t think a gigantic corporation like Disney would make a decision to fire someone based on some vengeful tweeters. They must have read JG’s awful tweets and decided he didn’t fit their family-oriented business. I guess “investigation” is too strong a word for simply reading those tweets for themselves. People are assuming that Disney made a rash decision without knowing the facts, and I’m suggesting that they did know the facts. My car was vandalized (egged) in the parking lot at work years ago, and whoever did it left behind a note about posting the video on YouTube (apparently, that’s a thing). After we called the police, my boss had the IT department search the internet for the video. I’m pretty sure that Disney’s IT department is better than ours was! Well if there are as many offensive jokes/Tweets of his out there as has been reported and if he worked for a body that used that kind of material it is rather surprising that a gigantic corporation like Disney was unaware of this before they hired him in the first place.
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Post by mllemass on Jul 23, 2018 0:10:54 GMT
Remember Bob Saget? He played the father on Full House and later hosted America’s Funniest Home Videos. I had never heard of him before Full House. It wasn’t until he was interviewed for a cast reunion that I learned he had been a stand-up comic, and that he worked “blue”. He said he was as surprised as anyone that ABC (owned by Disney) had wanted him to do a wholesome family show when he had previously been known for his shockingly filthy humour. So yes, Disney seems to work in mysterious ways!
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Post by sgev1977 on Jul 23, 2018 2:23:33 GMT
I think the problem is “the mysterious way”. Surely they knew about James Gunn and I don’t doubt they knew about Bob Saget, who by the way was one of the filthiest if not the filthiest comedian in The Aristocrats (and yes, his version included pedophilia and rape)
Now those guys are attacking Patton Oswalt, he played Remy in Ratatouille. What would happen if Disney decides to do a sequel and there’s another campaign against him? That Cernovich guy seems to be very obsessive!
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Post by mllemass on Jul 23, 2018 4:20:55 GMT
I was just reading that James Gunn has been doing the same thing to others for years. He’s been going after people whose views he doesn’t agree with by digging up their old embarrassing tweets and retweeting them. He also totally sided against Roseanne Barr, saying that ABC was right to fire her and it wasn’t a free speech issue.
What is with these guys?
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Post by queenzod on Jul 23, 2018 4:30:12 GMT
You would think people would learn that if you don’t do stupid, embarrassing things in public, you don’t need to worry about the aftermath.
To be fair, there’s a difference between tweeting a joke about pedophelia and a racist tweet. You aren’t necessarily a pedo for joking about it (although your sense of humor might be called into question), but you are a racist if you liken someone to an ape. I guess you could argue Rosanne’s tweet was a joke, too, but it sure didn’t play that way.
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Post by onebluestocking on Jul 23, 2018 6:40:54 GMT
Disney was sure to have known about JG's background. It's just a problem now because of attention on it. They can't risk their family-friendly image! Racism, sexism, pedophilia, any offensive comments or jokes can come back to haunt you if you want a high-profile job with a large company in the future. If they have a choice between an employee bringing lots of bad press and angry complaints and one who doesn't, well, it's a business. When it becomes an issue later, people always say "it was a joke" or "I've grown since then" or oddly enough, in Roseanne's case "I was on Ambien." Another recent example is this baseball player who tweeted racist and homophobic jokes as a teenager: www.cbsnews.com/news/josh-hader-milwaukee-brewers-major-league-baseball-all-star-game-apologizes-racist-homophobic-tweets/He has apologized, and the fans and other players supported him, so he will probably be forgiven with 'sensitivity training'. But if public opinion went the other way, the trouble might not be worth it for his employer. Yes, it's hypocritical, but again it is a business. Unfortunately, people writing offensive jokes as part of their job (as opposed to their own personal beliefs) can be thrown out with the bathwater. Lots of comedians and writers use dark humor that is easily taken out of context by someone gunning for them, which is what is happening here. The right-wingers aren't truly upset by the jokes, they are just looking for ammunition against pre-chosen targets. In terms of an investigation, nobody is denying his work for Troma, correct? If you want to work for a children's entertainment studio in the future, don't take a job writing pedophile jokes. It's surprising to me, that Disney considered his past work a good fit for their corporate culture to begin with. I'm not criticizing his writing because I'm not familiar with Troma films, just saying, if I interviewed for a church secretary position with a resume full of exotic dancing gigs, well, no surprise if it wouldn't work out!
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Post by queenzod on Jul 23, 2018 6:59:55 GMT
Yes, but suppose during your interview you told the church what your background was and that you’ve changed, and they hired you knowing that, saying it’s okay now? And then 6 years later fired you for a sinful past? Is that okay?
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Post by ellie on Jul 23, 2018 8:27:19 GMT
And what about Mary Magdalene. She had quite the racy past but turned quite religious in the end. Even got praised by the boss. 😄
Seriously though I’m not defending Gunn per se, just the sheer hypocrisy of the whole set up with Disney pretending this is news to them. Plus the really worrying trend for social media to dictate political and organizational decisions.
I think it all has potentially truly disastrous and very sinister potential.
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