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Post by sgev1977 on Jul 22, 2018 2:02:02 GMT
Disney was absolutely right to fire anyone who wrote such disgusting things. Just like my former employer did, they were probably ok with looking the other way until they were forced to face it and do something about it. I don’t care if they’re just jokes. I’ve always thought there was something very wrong people who find that kind of humour funny. But should those people lose their jobs because of it? Yes, if it reflects badly on the employer. The question is he wrote them BEFORE he was even hired. PC kids made a big fuss on Twitter because the existence of those same Tweets when he was hired (others were happy that Marvel did a very leftfield decision). He actually did one of those Mea Culpa and since then behaved according his new job. Except that he was very critical to Donald Trump Government. Now the extreme right wings crazies behind Pizzagate (the conspiracy theory about a ring of pedophiles that have Hillary Clinto as one of the leaders and that almost provoked a tragedy last year www.nytimes.com/2016/12/05/business/media/comet-ping-pong-pizza-shooting-fake-news-consequences.html) recycled those same tweets and he is suddenly fired! Again I understand why a company like Disney wouldn’t want a provocative director like him in the first place but they didn’t cared too much at the beginning. It’s until now that those extremists and dangerous types reacted to his criticisms to Trump that they acted. EDITED: Patton Oswald retweeted this comedian,
I don’t know him but clearly the extremists are attacking others. The tweets are indeed disgusting but that type of comedy is very typical in English language! I’m surprised a lot of people doesn’t seems to even know! A lot of English speaking people! It seems the PizzaGate people are trying to show how everyone in Hollywood is a pedophile using SJW tactics!
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Post by onebluestocking on Jul 22, 2018 2:36:36 GMT
Well, I can see both sides. Disney obviously knew his background when they hired him. But now times have changed, and if his background causes an image problem for their company, they may have to "fire" him (I'm sure he will be back after things cool down, since he is a successful director.) It reminds me of the controversy in the US right now, at least my area of it, about the Papa John's Pizza guy. He has made racist statements such as blaming declining pizza sales on the kneeling football players protesting. Then lately his defense was basically "well, Col. Sanders (founder of KFC) used the most racist word ever and nobody gave him trouble about it." (Part of the problem was that he used the actual n-word, but to me, the entire sentiment was the real issue.) He pretends not to understand that Col. Sanders probably used that word in 1950. You can't do that without consequence any more. If Col. Sanders was alive and said that today, he would be fired too. Just because something was tolerated, or even considered okay, in the past doesn't mean it will always be. Especially if it is something knowingly risky and offensive from the start, you are taking your chances. But like I say, I'm sure he will be back at some point. We all know that white male directors get lots more chances than anybody else.
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Post by sgev1977 on Jul 22, 2018 2:49:34 GMT
Lloyd Kaufman is organizing a protest against Disney! A feud between Troma and Disney? This actually could be interesting! I’m just scared about the influence crazy extremist right wingers had in this! And I think they are being helped by the PC crew that created an environment in which people doesn’t seem able to distinguish between real crimes and dumbness.
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Post by queenzod on Jul 22, 2018 2:53:53 GMT
My question is how long does bad behavior follow you around? If someone has apologized for “insensitive” behavior and since changed their behavior, why should they be penalized for it years later? It’s like felons who have served their debt to society, gotten out of jail, are now gainfully employed and living decent lives, but they’re not allowed to vote. Why not? They paid their debt, served their time. Why are they still penalized?
Disney had to know who they got when they hired him and we’re okay with it. But some right wing nut job who is equally offensive throws a hissy and the guy’s out of a job? Forgiveness and moving on are also good traits. Disney’s not a mouse, it’s a chicken.
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Post by mllemass on Jul 22, 2018 7:34:53 GMT
My problem isn’t even with what these people have tweeted but rather with what they believe. Tweeting one tasteless joke shows bad judgment. Doing it on a regular basis shows bad character.
And the “free speech” protests are such nonsense! Free speech means you can speak out against your government without being arrested. It doesn’t mean you can say anything you want without consequences, such as losing your job.
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Post by ellie on Jul 22, 2018 7:54:23 GMT
I’m not defending what the guy wrote, I don’t like that kind of humour or find it remotely funny. But there are those writers/comedians who set out to deliberately push boundaries and shock in their material. Should we ban and fire them if there’s no evidence they actually espouse those views personally or is that going too far down the road of censorship? I really don’t know. But I am very uncomfortable with the current trend of Organisations making such decisions on the basis of social media outrage. To me that is mob rule and that is never the way to go.
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Post by sgev1977 on Jul 22, 2018 12:46:02 GMT
I think it’s related to free speech because it’s clear a group of people wanted to silence him. Actually, they wanted him to stop criticizing the government so they searched for past material that they knew was there (it’s something public) and accused him of being a “pedophile” based just in the jokes. The big company for which he worked (and which should knew beforehand about the material) fired him. Now the antecedent is out there: if you criticize the government you can lose your job if someone collects bad jokes you did in the past. People with shady intentions can control big companies and easily can destroy the career and reputation of someone with different POLITICAL ideas.
This began with the so called SJW and once again they gave ideas and tactics to right-wing extremists to destroy critics.
About the humor, as Ellen says it’s about push boundaries and shock. Ironically I was very easily scandalized with that kind of stuff a few years ago and completely hated it. I’m not a fan now but I understand the aim behind it. Now see me, I’m defending it! When everybody hates it and think it does actual damage in the real world! We don’t have to like it to understand that people who enjoy it should not lose their job for it. If they committed a crime, sure! They should be in jail but for saying a joke, never! What’s the difference with the dumb woman who asked if it’s legal for artists to do a movie about Brexit! I’m sure she is also convinced they are doing a harm to society but in both cases it’s good old fascism. Trying to silence others claiming what they do is damaging society or literal crimes or they are sick individuals who should be neutralized is good old fascism and it’s very scary. The people behind this campaign are very scary people and it’s very worrying that Disney reacted to their accusations.
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Post by mllemass on Jul 22, 2018 12:59:19 GMT
If someone says something over and over on twitter or anywhere else, are we really supposed to doubt that they mean it? It’s not as though someone hacked into their twitter accounts and posted those disgusting things. There should be consequences.
I still say it depends on the job. About 15 years ago, my friend’s son was found guilty of drug trafficking and spent time in prison. My friend was arrested at the same time because her son had listed her address as his residence. It was all cleared up and the police let her go, but not before it made the local news. Even though she was completely innocent, her employer told her that the scanddal had brought them negative attention, and she was fired. After his release from prison, her son still had his real-estate job waiting for him.
Fortunately, my friend’s lawyer eventually got her her job back. With some jobs, your behaviour outside of work doesn’t matter. And with other jobs, it does.
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Post by sgev1977 on Jul 22, 2018 13:29:47 GMT
If someone says something over and over on twitter or anywhere else, are we really supposed to doubt that they mean it? It’s not as though someone hacked into their twitter accounts and posted those disgusting things. There should be consequences. I still say it depends on the job. About 15 years ago, my friend’s son was found guilty of drug trafficking and spent time in prison. My friend was arrested at the same time because her son had listed her address as his residence. It was all cleared up and the police let her go, but not before it made the local news. Even though she was completely innocent, her employer told her that the scanddal had brought them negative attention, and she was fired. After his release from prison, her son still had his real-estate job waiting for him. Fortunately, my friend’s lawyer eventually got her her job back. With some jobs, your behaviour outside of work doesn’t matter. And with other jobs, it does. The thing is he worked for Troma then. His work was being offensive. Maybe Disney shouldn’t have hired a Troma guy in the first place but they did. They were told about his “jokes”. There was a Twitter storm about it. He apologized and changed his behavior according the politics of his new company. He recently made angry a bunch of extremists, they organized a campaign against him based in those old tweets and he is fired. Here is the guy that the same people were attacking yesterday also because nasty jokes about pedophilia:
Surprise! He also is critical of the extreme right! I actually think Gunn could have a legal case if he wanted. They are straightforward defaming him and he lost a big job because it. Who knows? Maybe there was another reason but how things are presented right now it’s very disturbing. EDITED: I just noticed this is ANOTHER comedian and not the same I posted above! They are attacking more people!
More alt-rights attacking comedians
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Post by MagdaFR on Jul 22, 2018 19:30:43 GMT
Sorry, I don't get the pedo jokes either.
Also, free speech goes both ways. I may say whatever I think about what you (general you) write.
Of course the right is very hypocrite, as always. And so is Disney but, as a family oriented company, is understandable that they terminated Gunn's contract.
The Gunn's apology letter from 2012 was about the way he spoke about women characters, racist and homophobic comments. One of them was about how easy would be to fuck one of them because she was a single mother, another one was how some lesbian character could be turn if she was fucked by Stark. The pedo jokes were not mentioned.
I really don't care one way or the other for JG. I think people who write that kind of jokes or laugh at them are mysoginists, racist, homophobic inside.
Gunn's followers are also hypocrite, if the jokes made by Gunn came from the right or somebody they didn't like they'd be saying the same things the right is saying now about Gunn. Imagine BC saying that kind of joke.
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